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I am from one of the commonwealth countries and have always been taught how British colonialism was devastating for the country. Having said that, I understand that each country will have their own viewpoints on historical events and I would like to know the other side and weed out any inaccuracies that I might have learnt growing up. I tried to google it to no avail. Feel free to point to a book so I may educate myself. Thanks.

我來(lái)自英聯(lián)邦國(guó)家，一直被教導(dǎo)不列顛殖民主義對(duì)我們國(guó)家的摧殘。不過(guò)，我也能理解各個(gè)國(guó)家對(duì)歷史事件都有自己的看法，因此我想從另一個(gè)視角了解一下，剔除我成長(zhǎng)過(guò)程中學(xué)到的可能不對(duì)的地方。我用谷歌搜了一下，沒(méi)什么好答案?；蛘咛峁┮恍?shū)籍讓我學(xué)習(xí)一下。感激不盡。

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MadLadEnzo
That is interesting. Was the end of colonialism ever covered? Was it due to the rebellions or because the colonies weren’t worth having anymore?

這很有趣。你們有教過(guò)殖民主義的終結(jié)嗎？是因?yàn)榕褋y還是因?yàn)橹趁竦夭辉僦档脫碛辛耍?/p>

feudal_age
This was basically my experience and I started high school in 2007. We also did a lot on peasants and other "normal" people and a decent amount on WW2.

我在2007年開(kāi)始上高中，我的情況也基本上是這樣。我們?cè)谵r(nóng)民和其他“普通人”身上教了很多，還有二戰(zhàn)。

scantreward
Also 90s education, Tudors, WW2, Tudors, Vikings, Tudors, Industrial Revolution, Tudors, Romans, Fucking Tudors.
No WW1, nothing about colonialism, and almost nothing that really mattered. I was in my late teens/early 20s before I corrected my otherwise piss poor history education. A lot of my contemporaries probably never did, so are totally ignorant on the most important history of all (which I consider to be WW1 and colonialism).

我也是90年代上的高中，都鐸王朝、二戰(zhàn)、都鐸王朝、維京、都鐸王朝、工業(yè)革命、都鐸王朝、羅馬、還是TM的都鐸王朝。
沒(méi)有第一次世界大戰(zhàn)，沒(méi)有殖民主義，幾乎沒(méi)有什么重要的東西。在我糾正我糟糕的歷史知識(shí)時(shí)，我都20歲左右了。我的許多同齡人可能從來(lái)沒(méi)有糾正過(guò)，所以他們對(duì)最重要的歷史(我認(rèn)為是一戰(zhàn)和殖民主義) 完全不了解。

Mr-Tootles
In Scotland we focused on internal elements and the two world wars exclusively. There was little to no coverage of colonialism. Most people I know had to educate themselves on this point.

在蘇格蘭，我們只關(guān)注國(guó)內(nèi)的內(nèi)容和兩次世界大戰(zhàn)。幾乎沒(méi)有關(guān)于殖民主義的內(nèi)容。在這方面，我認(rèn)識(shí)的大多數(shù)人都是自學(xué)的。

Eatus_Fetus
In my highschool my class was taught about how Scottish immigration contributed to the cultures of Australia and Canada. India was briefly mentioned, we were taught how some of the East India Company's leadership were originaly from Scotland and also how some Scottish regiments participated in suppressing revolts. Overall I was taught how the Empire made Britian wealthy at the expense of other nations and people

在我高中的時(shí)候，我的班教了蘇格蘭移民如何對(duì)澳大利亞和加拿大的文化做出貢獻(xiàn)。也簡(jiǎn)短地提到了印度，告訴我們東印度公司的一些領(lǐng)導(dǎo)起源于蘇格蘭，還有蘇格蘭軍隊(duì)是如何參與鎮(zhèn)壓起義叛亂的?？偟膩?lái)說(shuō)，我學(xué)到的是帝國(guó)是如何犧牲其他國(guó)家和人民來(lái)讓不列顛富裕起來(lái)的。

Mr-Tootles
I wish I had your teachers!! I swear if I had to hear about German interwar and world war 2 one more time I would explode

真希望那時(shí)候教我的是你們老師！！如果再讓我聽(tīng)一次德國(guó)兩戰(zhàn)和第二次世界大戰(zhàn)的課，我會(huì)爆炸的。

yawningangel
My experience is from over 20 years ago so no doubt things have changed.
In high school we covered a fair bit of colonialism, none of it was positive.
The partition of india was something which we studies fairly in depth ,but we also looked at Africa, the Middle east etc.

我那會(huì)是20多年前了，所以情況肯定變了。
高中時(shí)，我們教了不少殖民主義，但全都不是正面的。
印度分裂是我們深入研究的內(nèi)容，我們也研究非洲、中東等內(nèi)容。

MadLadEnzo
I see, were any of the strategies that were used by the colonists covered? That is something I find extremely interesting since its quite surprising given the small amount of people that land on the ports.

明白了，那殖民者使用的策略有教嗎？這是我非常感興趣的事情，因?yàn)榭紤]到登陸的人數(shù)很少，讓人很好奇。

SeleucusNikator1
Interesting. My school did absolutely nothing on India, but instead we learned quite a bit about Nigeria.

有意思。我們學(xué)校完全沒(méi)有關(guān)于印度的內(nèi)容，反而學(xué)了很多尼日利亞的內(nèi)容。

yawningangel
Most wasn't that in depth tbh,just learnt about the "insurgencies ".
Did spend a bit more time covering Gandhi and peaceful protest.

大部分講得都不深入，只是了解了“叛亂”。
確實(shí)花了稍微多一點(diǎn)的時(shí)間講述了甘地與和平抗議。

maverick3470
I finished secondary school (high school) in the early 2010’s and like others here the British empire was barely covered. The Boer War was the only part we studied and the empire was never spoken about in a positive way.
We studied the Romans, Normans, WWI, women’s suffrage in the UK, the causes of WWII, and apartheid- specifically the Sharpeville massacre.
I studied the English (War of the Roses) and American civil wars at A Level (age 17).

我在2010年代初期讀完中學(xué)(高中)，和其他人一樣，大英帝國(guó)幾乎沒(méi)有提到，布爾戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)是我們研究的唯一內(nèi)容，從來(lái)沒(méi)有以積極的方式講述過(guò)帝國(guó)。
我們研究了羅馬人、諾曼人、第一次世界大戰(zhàn)、英國(guó)的婦女選舉權(quán)、第二次世界大戰(zhàn)的起因、種族隔離特別是沙佩維爾大屠殺。
我在17歲的時(shí)候研究了英國(guó)（玫瑰戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)）和美國(guó)內(nèi)戰(zhàn)。

belalthrone
Wait do you guys call the American Revolution and the War of 1812 “civil wars”? It makes sense if so, it’s just odd to hear as an American lol

等下，你們把美國(guó)獨(dú)立戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)和1812年戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)叫做“內(nèi)戰(zhàn)”？這樣的話也有道理，只是在我這個(gè)美國(guó)人聽(tīng)起來(lái)有點(diǎn)怪。

JosBenson
No, the American Revolution and war of 1812 are not called the civil wars. The American civil war refers to 1865 civil war, the south v the north. Abraham Lincoln etc.
The British do not think of American independence as a civil war. I’m fact we barely cover it as it was of so little importance to British history. It was obviously a big deal for American history, but a mere blip in British history with very little impact.

不是，美國(guó)獨(dú)立戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)和1812年戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)不叫內(nèi)戰(zhàn)。美國(guó)內(nèi)戰(zhàn)是指1865年南北戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，南方VS北方，亞伯拉罕·林肯等。
英國(guó)不認(rèn)為美國(guó)獨(dú)立是內(nèi)戰(zhàn)。事實(shí)上，我們幾乎不涉及這方面內(nèi)容，因?yàn)樗鼘?duì)英國(guó)歷史的重要性非常低。它對(duì)美國(guó)歷史當(dāng)然是大事，但在英國(guó)歷史上只是個(gè)小插曲，沒(méi)什么影響。

CuriousastheCat
I think this is gets a bit overstated, though a natural reaction to an American tendency to think America was the most important colony by far.
In wider British history the indirect impact was massive. The amount of French money splurged on the war of independence precipitated the bankruptcy of the French monarchy and from there the Revolution, Napoleon etc etc. The world turned upside down indeed.

我認(rèn)為說(shuō)得夸張了，雖然美國(guó)人認(rèn)為美國(guó)是最重要的殖民地這是自然的反應(yīng)。
在英國(guó)歷史上，美國(guó)獨(dú)立的間接的影響是巨大的。法國(guó)在美國(guó)獨(dú)立戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中揮霍的大量金錢(qián)讓法國(guó)君主制破產(chǎn)，由此引發(fā)了革命、拿破侖等等。世界確實(shí)發(fā)生了巨大變化。

belalthrone
Ahh okay, I misunderstood the above post then

啊好吧，我誤解了上面的帖子

gratitude1
History in british schools is pretty much just tudors and ww2

英國(guó)學(xué)校教授的歷史幾乎都是都鐸王朝和二戰(zhàn)。

arracudauk663
As a history teacher here in the UK I'll say that my curriculum is heavily focused on imperialism. I'm surprised at how many aren't actually.

作為一名英國(guó)歷史老師，我要說(shuō)我的課程基本都是關(guān)于帝國(guó)主義的。實(shí)際上我很驚訝竟然有這么多人學(xué)的不是這些。

Pm7I3
When I did was in school it wasn't mentioned. A Level history talked about the Boer War but wasn't very in depth.

我上學(xué)的時(shí)候沒(méi)有學(xué)過(guò)這些內(nèi)容。高中歷史講到了布爾戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，但不是非常深入。

mpressiveWarthog8
Back in the 70s at my school we studied European History mainly from The Franco Prussian War through Russian Revolution to Hitler and WW2. My history teacher Mr Swift was an avowed Marxist so steered away from colonialism, he did however spark into life my love of history and world affairs.

我上學(xué)那會(huì)是70年代，我們主要學(xué)習(xí)了歐洲歷史，從普法戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)到俄國(guó)革命，再到希特勒和二戰(zhàn)。我的歷史老師斯威夫特先生是一位公開(kāi)宣稱的馬克思主義者，因此他遠(yuǎn)離殖民主義，但他確實(shí)激發(fā)了我對(duì)歷史和全球時(shí)事的熱愛(ài)。

ashiesfordinner
I started secondary school in 2002 and as far as I can remember it wasn't touched on significantly. Probably the closest I got to learning about colonialism was learning about William Wilberforce and his involvement with the movement to abolish the slave trade. It was never touched upon how the slave trade they were abolishing actually started.

我在2002年開(kāi)始上中學(xué)，我記得沒(méi)怎么教。我學(xué)到的和殖民主義最接近的，可能就是威廉·威爾伯福斯和他參與廢除奴隸貿(mào)易的運(yùn)動(dòng)。但卻沒(méi)有提到廢除奴隸貿(mào)易是如何開(kāi)始的。

H_J_3
My experience was in the 2000s, and for part of my high school experience only studied history as part of the subject "Humanities", rather than as its own subject (explanation of the English system at the end). Students who picked different subjects, had different exam boards, or different teachers will have covered different topics to me.
British colonialism was rarely covered directly as a topic on its own. It did feature in a lot of other areas though:
The Atlantic slave trade
The civil rights movement in the USA
Apartheid in South Africa
Indian independence and partitioning (India was probably the most important British colony, learning about its independence movement helps cover the effects of colonialism in the country, and the effect on the empire)
The Rwandan genocide (not specifically British colonialism, but covered because of its importance in recent history, parallels with WW2, and as a particularly extreme example of post-colonial issues)

我上中學(xué)的時(shí)候是2000年代，我在高中的時(shí)候，歷史只是作為“人文學(xué)科”的一部分，它不是單獨(dú)的學(xué)科。學(xué)生選擇不同的學(xué)科，有不同的考試，或不同的老師教授不同的內(nèi)容。
英國(guó)殖民主義很少直接單獨(dú)作為一個(gè)話題教授。不過(guò)，它確實(shí)在很多領(lǐng)域中出現(xiàn)。
1、大西洋奴隸貿(mào)易
2、美國(guó)的民權(quán)運(yùn)動(dòng)
3、南非的種族隔離
4、印度獨(dú)立和分裂（印度可能是英國(guó)最重要的殖民地，學(xué)習(xí)它的獨(dú)立運(yùn)動(dòng)有助于了解殖民主義對(duì)印度以及對(duì)帝國(guó)的影響）
5、盧旺達(dá)種族滅絕（不是專門(mén)針對(duì)英國(guó)殖民主義，而是因?yàn)樗诮飞系闹匾裕c第二次世界大戰(zhàn)相似，是后殖民時(shí)代問(wèn)題的一個(gè)極端例子）

SeleucusNikator1
Should be noted that experiences seem to vary greatly. The choices of your school and individual teachers alters things quite a bit.
Anyhow, in my case, we learned about controversies such as the Benin Head debate (how it was taken by violent conquest, whether it should be returned, etc.), we learned about the Opium Wars, the settlement of Australia, and we also read "Things Fall Apart" in our English literature classes (the book is about Nigeria and Colonialism; it was written by one of Nigeria's biggest authors).
Frankly, we didn't learn anything about India, but we spent a lot of time focusing on the Atlantic Slave trade. The slave trade was covered twice actually, I remember first learning about it as an 8 year old and being shown pictures of slave ships and what not. We learned about it in more detail when I was around 12-13 I believe? Mainly focusing on the importation of slaves, conditions they endured in the ships, and the abolitionist movement behind it (we read extracts of Olaudah Equiano's book. He was an ex-slave who became free and an abolitionist activist).
So the British Empire was mentioned, but it wasn't really "the focus of the show" since we also had to focus on events like the Protestant Reformation, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, WW1, interwar Germany, WW2, and then the Cold War.

好像大家的體驗(yàn)差別很大啊?；谀銈儗W(xué)校和個(gè)別老師的選擇，大家的情況各有不同。
以我來(lái)說(shuō)，我們學(xué)習(xí)了一些論戰(zhàn)，比如“Benin Head debate” （它是如何被暴力征服的，它是否應(yīng)該被歸還等等），我們學(xué)習(xí)了鴉片戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，對(duì)澳大利亞的處理，我們也在英語(yǔ)文學(xué)課上閱讀《分崩離析》（這本書(shū)是關(guān)于尼日利亞和殖民主義的；作者是尼日利亞最著名的作家之一）。
坦率地說(shuō)，關(guān)于印度我們一點(diǎn)都沒(méi)學(xué)，但我們花了很多時(shí)間關(guān)注大西洋奴隸貿(mào)易。事實(shí)上奴隸貿(mào)易的內(nèi)容出現(xiàn)了兩次，我記得第一次學(xué)是在8歲的時(shí)候，展示了奴隸船的圖片。第二次更詳細(xì)的學(xué)大概是在12-13歲的時(shí)候？主要集中在輸入奴隸，他們?cè)诖系脑愀鈼l件，以及廢奴運(yùn)動(dòng)。我們讀了奧勞達(dá)·?？鼇喼Z的書(shū)節(jié)選，他曾經(jīng)是奴隸，后來(lái)獲得自由，是廢奴主義活動(dòng)家。所以大英帝國(guó)被提到了，但它并不是作為重點(diǎn)被提的，因?yàn)槲覀冞€必須關(guān)注像新教改革、法國(guó)大革命、俄羅斯革命、第一次世界大戰(zhàn)、兩戰(zhàn)間的德國(guó)、然后是冷戰(zhàn)。

charli1409
I'm a humanities teacher at a secondary school. Although my specialism is not in history I do teach it. We do British Colonisation as a whole topic, depending on the year group depends on which country. I have personally taught about Africa and India. The aim of those lessons is to look at both the positives and negatives. The students do also get discuss their view point but always go away understanding that there are both sides to consider.

我是一名中學(xué)的人文老師。雖然我的專業(yè)不是歷史，但我確實(shí)有教這方面的內(nèi)容。我們把英國(guó)殖民作為一個(gè)主題，取決于年份和國(guó)家。我親自教過(guò)非洲和印度的內(nèi)容。這些課程的目的是了解積極的一面和消極的一面。學(xué)生們也會(huì)討論他們的觀點(diǎn)，但要了解到事情是有兩面需要考慮的。

sjintje
It's funny that nearly all the students are saying it wasn't taught at all (apart from the slave trade) but there are three teachers commenting that it is an option on the curriculum. I guess it means that all the teachers who chose not to teach it also don't like talking about it on reddit!

有意思，幾乎所有的學(xué)生都說(shuō)他們沒(méi)有教過(guò)這方面的內(nèi)容（除了奴隸貿(mào)易），但有三位老師評(píng)論說(shuō)這是課程的一個(gè)選項(xiàng)。我猜這意味著所有老師都選擇不教，也不喜歡在reddit上討論它！

charli1409
I cannot comment about whether it is actually on the curriculum now as I'm an RE specialist, however big changes have been to the curriculum since 2016, so it is likely to have been included in those changes. People commenting do not appear to be at school anymore.

因?yàn)槲沂荝E專業(yè)的，所以我沒(méi)辦法評(píng)論這部分內(nèi)容現(xiàn)在是否出現(xiàn)在課程中。但2016年以后，課程發(fā)生了很大的變化，所以它很可能已經(jīng)包含在課程中了。再說(shuō)評(píng)論的人現(xiàn)在也不是學(xué)生了。

spoonbasher555
So I graduated high/secondary school in 2010. It's wasn't really taught directly, more something that is in the background. We spend a lot of time on the industrial Revolution, world wars, Tudor period, Victorian era and briefly dabbled in the dark and middle ages.
Like because along with the rest of Europe we have such a long, well recorded history, it's very convenient just to gloss over the negatives and play into a bit of exceptionalism.
We would touch on things like the Suez crisis when learning the post WW2 period for example.
Basically the level of understanding I had before reaching University was , yeh empire was bad, but we gave a lot of countries trains and universities so swings and roundabouts.
Luckily I used to hang out with a lot of history students and gleaned a nuanced view of the impacts of colonialism; ie. We had no Fucking right, and all our museums are absolutely stuffed with other people's stuff.

我在2010年高中畢業(yè)。它沒(méi)有直接教授，更多是作為背景。我們花了大量的時(shí)間在工業(yè)革命、世界大戰(zhàn)、都鐸王朝、維多利亞時(shí)代，并短暫的教授黑暗的中世紀(jì)。
像歐洲其他國(guó)家一樣，我們有著悠久、良好的歷史記錄，所以我們可以很方便地掩蓋消極的內(nèi)容，摻雜一點(diǎn)例外主義。
例如，在學(xué)習(xí)二戰(zhàn)后的時(shí)期，我們會(huì)教授蘇伊士危機(jī)等問(wèn)題。
基本上，我在上大學(xué)之前的理解水平是，帝國(guó)確實(shí)很壞，但是我們給很多國(guó)家提供了火車和大學(xué)，所以有好有壞。
幸運(yùn)的是，我曾經(jīng)和很多歷史系的學(xué)生一起閑逛，了解到一些對(duì)殖民主義影響的微妙看法，比如“我們沒(méi)有這種權(quán)利，我們博物館里塞的都是別人的東西”。