R:我曉得故事中有很多“好人”，但除去大部分演員外，剩下的或多或少就都是反派了。為什么你的故事中需要這么多“壞人”呢？

M:Yes. So, really, the best way to describe it is that it was more about showing how positioning works the way it does. It’s like a hand-me-down thing. It starts with the principal, right? But then it goes to the staff, and then it goes to the nurses, and it just keeps going and going until finally the students become infected with this positioning.?

昂，其實(shí)吧對(duì)此最好的詮釋就是，它更多地展示了人物定位，人物網(wǎng)的意義。這就像是一種層層遞進(jìn)的關(guān)系。最開始先是貪婪的校長出現(xiàn)，對(duì)吧?而這種負(fù)能量逐漸傳遞到所有角色上，接著是邪惡的護(hù)士，后來呢這種負(fù)能量一直繼續(xù)一直繼續(xù)，直到學(xué)生也被它影響變成了壞人。

M:And then we have characters like Kelly or any of the bullies, like any of those characters who are acting out with that kind of energy are just showing how their environment is shaping them. So, it’s less about them being bad guys. It’s more about the system that is creating that energy.

然后我們就有了像Kelly這樣的角色和以及一系列的霸凌事件，那些被負(fù)能量影響而做著霸凌舉措的角色，其實(shí)影射出了環(huán)境是如何塑造性格der。所以不只是在討論反派角色了。更多的是創(chuàng)造負(fù)能量的這種體系。

R:My assumption was that you placed it in a school because it works with the characters, but also because that’s supposed to be where you’re getting educated on the world so it seemed like a fitting place for all of that to be going down.

我的假設(shè)是:你把這種制度體系設(shè)定在學(xué)校這樣一個(gè)環(huán)境里，是因?yàn)轶w系與人物角色息息相關(guān)，也是因?yàn)閷W(xué)校是你在這個(gè)世界上你受教育的場所，而它也恰好是所有這些故事和影射意義發(fā)可以發(fā)生的地方。

M:Yeah, for sure. I definitely picked school because I really wanted to show the parallel between school and life and how school is really just a condensed version of life, you know??

昂對(duì)。我選擇以學(xué)校為故事背景是因?yàn)槲曳浅Ｏ胝宫F(xiàn)學(xué)校與生活間的相似性，以及學(xué)校就是濃縮版的生活，you know?

M:We meet a lot of people and personalities that we encounter later on in our adult life and we kind of have to go through the same cycle just to show we’ve learned the lesson, you know what I mean? So, it’s kind of that mentality as well. It was interesting because everyone has such a different school experience.?

我們成年后會(huì)遇到很多的人和性格，在某種程度上，我們不得不經(jīng)歷同樣的循環(huán)以此來展現(xiàn)我們吸收學(xué)習(xí)的經(jīng)驗(yàn)和能力，you know?所以這也是一種心態(tài)。每個(gè)人都有一段完全不同的學(xué)校經(jīng)歷，這是非常有趣der~

M:My goal was really to make sure many different people would be able to resonate with the movie, or be able to resonate with one character. My biggest goal was just to expand Cry Baby’s world and make sure there were other characters that people can resonate with because everyone’s school experience is very, very different.

我的目標(biāo)是讓形形色色的人都能與這部電影產(chǎn)生共鳴，或者與其中的一位角色產(chǎn)生共情點(diǎn)。我的終極目標(biāo)是延展愛哭鬼的世界并且確保人們也能與其他人物角色產(chǎn)生共鳴，畢竟每個(gè)人的學(xué)習(xí)經(jīng)歷都灰?；页２煌?/p>

?

R:Do you think you’re ever going to try to expand her into adult life? Like is she ever going to be working out there as a lawyer?

你有沒有想過把愛哭鬼的故事延伸到成人世界中嘞?比如說她會(huì)不會(huì)在成人世界里成為一名律師?

M:No, I already know my two next films and albums. I already have the next two planned because obviously I have to prepare this in order for the character to be able to evolve the right way or the way that I would like them to.?

不，我已經(jīng)設(shè)想好我接下來的兩張專輯和電影遼。我早早計(jì)劃好接下來的兩部專輯和電影才能讓我筆下的角色以我的意愿，進(jìn)一步提升自己的精神和靈魂。

M:But, basically, it’s hard to say much without giving it away, but no, it doesn’t go into her adult life. She grows and transforms in a different way than you would like.

?It’s not just her going into her adult life, it’s also her soul transforming. That’s the only thing I will say because I don’t want to give away too much because it would be a major spoiler.

但是，基本來說，因?yàn)橐Ａ羧蘸髣”镜纳衩馗形也荒馨阉屑?xì)節(jié)都告訴你，但大家只需要曉得愛哭鬼是絕對(duì)不會(huì)成年der。她會(huì)以不同于常人的方式蛻化成長。不是她的軀殼肉身變?yōu)槌扇?，而是她的靈魂發(fā)生升華與轉(zhuǎn)變。那這些就是我能告訴你的la，因?yàn)檫@會(huì)是很重要的劇情，我可不能劇透太多w。

R:Do you ever tire of that character? Are you ever like, “Fuck all of this, I just want to do something totally different”? You’ve been so good at being really consistent, and it obviously works so well. I just wonder if ?you ever have the desire to completely change things up.?

昂，那你有沒有厭倦過"愛哭鬼"這個(gè)角色嘞？你有時(shí)候會(huì)不會(huì)這樣想“讓這些討厭的框架都去死吧！老娘只想整點(diǎn)不一樣的作品！”你至始至終都很好地延續(xù)著這個(gè)故事線，而且你也做的很棒。我只是很好奇你會(huì)不會(huì)想要徹底改變這些故事和人物。

M:Well, I think that the interesting part is that half of her story and what she deals with are elements that I don’t relate to and I am not connected to. But her styles and her hair obviously, I’ve had this hair since I was 16, this is the hair I want to die in. It’s never been a phase for me, like this is who I am.?

嗯哼，我jio得很有趣的一部分是愛哭鬼故事的一半是與我沒有關(guān)聯(lián)的元素。但是愛哭鬼的風(fēng)格和發(fā)型很明顯與我有關(guān)，我16歲der時(shí)候染了這種發(fā)型，而且我覺著自己會(huì)至死不渝地一直保持這樣的陰陽頭。這種發(fā)色的形式，并不只是我人生中某個(gè)心血來潮的階段，而是我無法割舍的一部分~

M:My whole life is about contracting polar opposites and dichotomy and duality. I love that idea of the contrast between light and dark; some of my art kind of reflects that. So, yeah, that’s a big part of it.

我的整個(gè)人生都圍繞著對(duì)立性，兩級(jí)性和雙重性。我敲愛將光與影相對(duì)比的創(chuàng)意；我的一些藝術(shù)就反映了這一點(diǎn)。所以說，這是非常重要的一部分。

M:Her story is different than mine, but a lot of her personality traits and her interests are mine. I’m very sensitive and the whole Cry Baby thing was a real thing where I was always the one crying or people were like, “There she goes. She’s crying again,” and it always just made me feel like something was wrong with me.

愛哭鬼的故事與我截然不同，但她的許多性格特征和興趣愛好都是我的一部分。我非常der敏感，而愛哭鬼的專輯故事，正是我總是哭泣并被人嘲笑“哈哈又來了，她又要開始哭了”的經(jīng)歷的剪影，而這種不愉快的經(jīng)歷總讓我疑惑自己是不是有問題。

M:It’s good to have emotional intelligence and to strengthen your depths of emotion because a lot of people are taught to just block it off.

擁有情緒的智慧并加強(qiáng)情感的深度是非常棒der事~因?yàn)楹芏嗳硕急唤虒?dǎo)要封閉自我。

R:I think it’s a good character trait because if you’re sensitive yourself, you’re also really sensitive to others and just generally less of an asshole.?

我認(rèn)為這是很棒的個(gè)性，因?yàn)樘热裟愦约好舾卸嗲?，那么你也?huì)對(duì)他人溫和，而且總的來說就不會(huì)像個(gè)混蛋。

M:Absolutely, it’s all that empathy really.

是的呀，這其實(shí)就是同理心?