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【龍騰網(wǎng)】拉美圈討論:各位拉美同胞們,你們?nèi)绾慰创来笠唤y(tǒng)這種想法?

2020-11-25 16:51 作者:龍騰洞觀  | 我要投稿

正文翻譯

What do you fellows Latin Americans think about the idea of a unx between Latin American countries?
To be clear, I'm not talking about some kind of Latino USSR out of some neocon's worst nightmare, but about an EU-like unx, a federation/confederation of sorts.

各位拉美同胞們,你們?nèi)绾慰创诶绹抑g結(jié)成一個聯(lián)盟?
我說得再準確一點,我談論的并不是某種拉美版的蘇聯(lián),而是一種類似歐盟的聯(lián)盟,類似聯(lián)邦/邦聯(lián)那樣的。


評論翻譯

1、Nah it would be like Brazil and Mexico and its subordinates, we would be like Luxembourg

(巴拿馬)不不,這樣的話,就會變成巴西和墨西哥坐大而其他國家成為它們從屬國的局面了,而我們就像是盧森堡。
(回復1)I don't really believe including Mexico and Central America is feasible even under the most favorable conditions.


Too close to the US.

(巴西)我不太相信納入墨西哥和中美洲國家能有什么可行性,哪怕在最有利的情況下也不可行。
他們距離美國太近了。


2、I feel like this question is asked every 15 minutes and a cup of tea.

(阿根廷)我感覺這個問題每隔15分鐘就有人問,喝口茶的功夫就又冒出來了。


3、The idea isn't bad, but Ithink we need a higher level of development—and similar development levels—in each country before trying out something like that.

(巴拿馬)想法還不賴,但我認為我們在做這種試驗之前,需要先讓每一個國家擁有更高的發(fā)展水平,乃至近似的發(fā)展水平。



4、Ideally I would prefer to unite will the other lusophone countries, but some kind of common market with other south american countries isn't bad (not a unified country, please). I would just exclude Mexico, because they would hinder my plans to turn the unx into a Great Brazilian Empire, MUAHAHAHAH!

(巴西)理想化地說,我更希望和其他葡語國家統(tǒng)一,但和其他南美國家打造出某種共同市場也挺不錯的(但是拜托,可別統(tǒng)一成一個國家)。我想都不用想就會把墨西哥排除在外,因為他們會阻礙我把這個聯(lián)盟轉(zhuǎn)變成一個大巴西帝國的計劃啊哈哈哈!



6、I like the idea, but I prefer a commercial block like the EU with free movement of capital, goods, people, etc. But at the same same time Imagine Brasil, Chile, Venezuela Colombia and Argentina sharing macroeconomic policy, some countries rather kill itself before that.

我挺喜歡這個主意,但我更喜歡歐盟那種商業(yè)集團,資本、貨物、人員等等能自由流動。但與此同時,想象一下巴西、智利、委內(nèi)瑞拉、哥倫比亞和阿根廷套用同一套宏觀經(jīng)濟政策,在走到這一步之前,有些國家寧可去自殺。



9、If Panama stops being a country, who will launder all of your money???

要是巴拿馬不再是一個國家,你打算找誰替你洗錢呢?


10、I don't really feel we have a lot in common with other latinos other than Uruguayans and maybe Chileans

(阿根廷)除了烏拉圭人,也許還有智利人,我是真不覺得我們和其他拉美人有多少共同點。


11、Something like the EU might work - but - organizers would have to be careful to make sure that Mexico and Brazil don't dominate.

(哥斯達黎加)或許類似歐盟的架構(gòu)還是可以玩轉(zhuǎn)的,但是組織者必須很小心,確保不要讓墨西哥和巴西稱王稱霸。



13、I don't think our politicians and peoples are capable of constructing something as elaborate as the European unx.
They barely manage to mismanage Latin America as it is.

(薩爾瓦多)我不覺得我們的政治家和人民有能力構(gòu)建出像歐盟這樣復雜嚴密的組織。
他們的能力僅僅停留在把拉丁美洲搞砸的水平上,事實如此。



Brasil is also fucked up, middle income trap and shit.

(巴西)如果委內(nèi)瑞拉(出現(xiàn)了政權更迭)和你們國家的形勢在未來能穩(wěn)定下來,那也許有可能實現(xiàn)進一步的整合。
巴西這邊也是個爛攤子,身陷中等收入陷阱什么的。


15、Nah man, currently Mexico is on the verge of balkanizing because of regional differences with the Central Goverment, i don't think a Latin American unx would work, at least not with the current situation.

(墨西哥)不不,如今的墨西哥因為各地區(qū)和中央政府不對付,正瀕臨巴爾干化的邊緣,我不覺得拉美聯(lián)盟能運轉(zhuǎn)起來,至少在當前的形勢下沒有可能。


16、No thanks

(智利)不用了,謝謝


17、Is the opposite, the world will be better with more small countries.
Forced unxs are bad, and even bad when the countries are so different cultures and people.

正相反,如果出現(xiàn)更多小國家,全世界反而會變得更好。
強行捏合的聯(lián)盟是很糟糕的,而如果這些國家的文化和人民差異巨大,結(jié)盟就更糟糕了。


18、Aside from the immense cultural and economic differences, how you get Mexico City to listen to Brasilia or Lima or Buenos Aires is beyond me. The brunt of Mexicans I've encountered were ferociously patriotic and proud to be Mexican, even defiantly so. Why would such people submit themselves to foreign governments? It'd be more likely Mexico simply reannexed Central American.

我就不明白了,除去文化和經(jīng)濟方面的重大差異,你要怎么讓墨西哥城聽巴西利亞、利馬或布宜諾斯艾利斯的話。我遇到的大部分墨西哥人,都滿懷著洶涌的愛國之情,而且為自己是墨西哥人而驕傲,甚至到了目空一切的地步。這樣的人民怎么可能屈從于外國政府呢?更有可能出現(xiàn)的情況是:墨西哥再次悍然吞并中美洲。



20、I know this question is asked a lot, but since I'm in favor or Latin American integration I don't mind. I love the topic, however I think your mixing up terms in your question. An EU-like unx is not a federation, but a confederation. In the former the member states are subordinates to the central government (like in the USA or Brazil) while in the later the member states control the central government (like the EU).

(多米尼加共和國)我知道問出這個問題已經(jīng)有很多次了,但因為我贊成拉丁美洲一體化,我不介意再回答一次。我很喜歡這個話題,但我認為你在問題中把兩個術語搞混了。一個類似歐盟的聯(lián)盟并不是一個聯(lián)邦,而是邦聯(lián)。在前者的情況下,成員國是從屬于中央政府的(比如美國和巴西的情況),而在后者的情況下,中央政府是由成員國控制的(比如歐盟)。



21、Patria Grande is dead and not coming back. The primarization of economies reduce intra-region trade and integration, empowers economic actors with little interest in regional integration and the USA-China conflict brings undue attention to the region, and that attention includes divide and conquer, coming from both powers.

(阿根廷)南美統(tǒng)一已經(jīng)死透了,也不會再復活了。經(jīng)濟的初級化減少了區(qū)域內(nèi)的貿(mào)易也降低了一體化程度,也就使得經(jīng)濟行為的主體對區(qū)域一體化喪失了興趣,而且美中沖突給該地區(qū)帶來了過分的關注度,而這種同時來自兩個強國的關注包含了分而治之。


22、Is a beautiful dream, however in the end is just a dream.

好一個美夢,不過到頭來也不過是一個夢罷了。


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