Heroic are more confident than ever. Like a hungry young predator in the midst of a densely populated jungle, they had just scared off an alpha male in a fierce battle and were able to find a path to a teeming oasis. All that’s left is to get there and earn their place. Their first stop is BLAST Premier: European Spring Showdown.

HEROIC比以往任何時(shí)候都更加自信。就像在獵物遍地的密林之中饑餓的小捕食者，他們剛剛在一場(chǎng)激烈的戰(zhàn)斗中戰(zhàn)勝了原先的上位者，并且成功找到了通往繁華綠洲的道路。所有剩下來(lái)要做的就是抵達(dá)那里并獲得自己的一席之地。他們的第一站就是BLAST Premier: European Spring Showdown.

However, Martin “Stavn” Lund is trying not to lose his head. On the contrary, he is restrained, cold, albeit cheerfully friendly. Yes, this will be the second Major in a row in his life (and his second overall), and he is torn apart from the inside by emotions and the desire to go on stage again and witness the energy of cheering fans. But the focus remains on the goal, and at first glance, nothing will allow him and his team to be distracted from the task at hand.

盡管如此，Martin”stavn”Lund盡其所能地沒(méi)有被勝利沖昏頭腦。相反，盡管十分的興奮與激動(dòng)，他表現(xiàn)得非常的克制、冷靜。是的，這將是他人生中連續(xù)第二次進(jìn)入major（雖然他也就只有這兩次的經(jīng)歷），他仿佛被那激動(dòng)的情緒從內(nèi)部撕裂開(kāi)來(lái)，渴望重新回到舞臺(tái)之上，從粉絲們的熱情歡呼中汲取能量。但激動(dòng)退卻，隊(duì)伍的又把焦點(diǎn)放回到目標(biāo)上，并且一眼望去，沒(méi)有什么事情能允許他們從自己手中的任務(wù)里分心。

In an exclusive interview for?CS.MONEY, Stavn shares his expectations from the upcoming tournaments, talks about the chemistry in the team and what football has to do with it, names the person who influenced his career and development most, highlights a favorable future for esports in Denmark, chooses talented peers, and reveals the secret behind his beloved?M9 Bayonette knife.

在CS.MONEY的獨(dú)家專(zhuān)訪之中，stavn分享了他對(duì)于接下來(lái)賽事的期望，談及了隊(duì)伍里的化學(xué)反應(yīng)以及足球在其中起到的作用，點(diǎn)出了對(duì)他的職業(yè)生涯和發(fā)展影響最大的人物，強(qiáng)調(diào)了丹麥電競(jìng)的光明前景，挑選有天賦的同輩，并且揭露了他鐘愛(ài)的M9刺刀背后的秘密。

Now, we want to qualify [for BLAST Spring Finals]. I would say we’re the strongest team right now. I feel like we’re on a good level. We’re going to do it step by step, taking one match at a time,” Stavn opens our chat. And looking at the table, Heroic are the undoubted favorite, true. But next, after BLAST, the team will head for the bootcamp to get ready for the Antwerp Major. And Stavn is eager to show what they’ve got.

Going to the Major was our number one goal for this year. So the RMR in Romania was a really important tournament for us. It was a really nice feeling, especially after beating NAVI and going directly to the Legends stage. We’ve had so many close games previously and lost to them every time. It was a really good feeling and we are really happy with the result.”

“現(xiàn)在，我們想獲得BLAST春決的名額。我覺(jué)得我們是現(xiàn)在最強(qiáng)的隊(duì)伍，我們的水平都很不錯(cuò)。我們會(huì)一步步達(dá)到目的，一場(chǎng)場(chǎng)地贏下比賽?！眘tavn如此開(kāi)始了我們的話題?？纯捶纸M表，HEROIC真的是無(wú)可置疑的大熱門(mén)。但在BLAST之后，接下來(lái)這支隊(duì)伍就要前往集訓(xùn)營(yíng)為安特衛(wèi)普MAJOR做準(zhǔn)備。stavn已經(jīng)饑渴難耐想要去展示他們已經(jīng)取得的成果。

“進(jìn)入MAJOR是我們今年的首要目標(biāo)。所以在羅馬尼亞舉行的RMR對(duì)我們來(lái)說(shuō)是非常重要的賽事。這種感覺(jué)真的是太美妙了，尤其是在擊敗了NAVI并且直接進(jìn)入傳奇組的時(shí)候，我們?cè)诖酥昂蚇AVI有過(guò)很多次較量，比賽有來(lái)有回但我們每次跟勝利都失之毫厘。戰(zhàn)勝他們真的是一種非常不錯(cuò)的感覺(jué)，我們對(duì)于這個(gè)結(jié)果也非常滿意。”

對(duì)MAJOR的期待和RMR資格賽

回答有關(guān)擊敗NAVI前他們有用到什么不一樣的方法時(shí)，stavn強(qiáng)調(diào)了隊(duì)伍的化學(xué)反應(yīng)：

“We had a good feeling going into the game. A different feeling than for some of the other games where we have met them before. We have lost to them so many times, so we tried to go with a different style in the game and it worked out pretty well. I feel we were playing really nicely as a team. Everyone was coming up with ideas and in the middle of the rounds, everyone was on. It was just really amazing to see that we could play so well in such an important game against probably the best team in the world”.

“在進(jìn)入比賽之時(shí)我們的感覺(jué)都很不錯(cuò)。這是一種不同于以往和他們交手時(shí)的感覺(jué)。我們已經(jīng)輸給他們這么多次了，所以我們嘗試在比賽中去打一種不同的風(fēng)格并且效果非常不錯(cuò)。我感到當(dāng)時(shí)作為一個(gè)團(tuán)隊(duì)我們打的很漂亮。每個(gè)人都在回合中提出自己的點(diǎn)子，且大家都火力全開(kāi)。在這樣一場(chǎng)重要的比賽中看到我們有著如此出色的發(fā)揮真的是一件非常驚喜的事，尤其我們面對(duì)的還很可能是世界上最棒的戰(zhàn)隊(duì)。”

這將會(huì)是stavn的第二次MAJOR，對(duì)于隊(duì)伍中的大多數(shù)也是如此。他談到了從斯德哥爾摩MAJOR獲得的經(jīng)驗(yàn)以及對(duì)安特衛(wèi)普MAJOR的計(jì)劃。

“The last major went exceptionally well, I would say. We lost in the semifinals in a close game to G2. And that whole experience, our first major,? was probably still the sickest, most insane thing I ever experienced in my life. It was a really insane moment to play a Major on stage, in the semi-final. And now we’re going to play the Legends stage. First of all, we want to reach the playoffs, it is a personal and a team goal, for sure. Coming into the playoffs, getting that feeling again, playing on stage. From there, I think we’ll just see how it goes. I feel like NAVI is a bit shaky right now, FaZe is obviously really strong. But I feel if we can find our game, our top game, we can go all the way.”

“在上次MAJOR中我們發(fā)揮得異常不錯(cuò)，我會(huì)這么說(shuō)。我們?cè)诎霙Q賽中惜敗G2?；仡櫿温贸?，我們的第一次MAJOR，可能依舊是我經(jīng)歷過(guò)最為瘋狂的事情。在舞臺(tái)上打MAJOR,在半決賽里真的是非常瘋狂的時(shí)刻?，F(xiàn)在我們將要去打傳奇組的比賽。首先，我們想要進(jìn)入正賽（八強(qiáng)），這既是我個(gè)人的也是我們團(tuán)隊(duì)的目標(biāo)，毫無(wú)疑問(wèn)如此。進(jìn)入正賽，再次找到那種感覺(jué)，在舞臺(tái)上比拼。從那里，我想我們盡人事、待天命就好。我覺(jué)得NAVI現(xiàn)在有點(diǎn)搖搖欲墜，F(xiàn)AZE顯然真的很強(qiáng)大。但我想如果我們找到自己的狀態(tài)，我們最好的狀態(tài)，我們可以贏的下來(lái)”

復(fù)仇G2也將會(huì)是一件很棒的事情。和他們交手總是一件不錯(cuò)的事情，比賽真的非常焦灼

這次，HEROIC和Stavn個(gè)人都對(duì)結(jié)果充滿信心。這都有賴于從斯德哥爾摩MAJOR第四名中學(xué)習(xí)到的經(jīng)驗(yàn)。

“Going to this second Major, we believe that we can actually win the whole thing. [Stockholm] was the thing that helped me personally, but also the team. We actually believed that we could go all the way and actually win this, even though we were not the favorites. So I think, when you’re playing this important tournament, just believe in yourself, believe that you can actually do it and good things will happen.”

“第二次進(jìn)入到MAJOR，我們相信我們可以贏下全部。（斯德哥爾摩）是對(duì)我個(gè)人有很多幫助的經(jīng)歷，對(duì)于整支隊(duì)伍也是如此。我們真的相信我們可以克服一切并贏下冠軍，即使我們并不是奪冠的最大熱門(mén)，所以我認(rèn)為，當(dāng)你正在一場(chǎng)重要的賽事中比拼之時(shí)，相信自己就好了，相信你真的可以做到然后好事就會(huì)降臨?！?/p>

RMR Qualifiers could be a cruel thing. EG left behind, lots of good teams too, top-tier orgs being at risk at a Bo1… People continue to argue about RMR’s fairness and what should be done to make things better. For example, Thorin wants to allocate Major slots to “elite teams” so they don’t have to play qualifiers equally with low-tier teams. At some point, Stavn agrees with him, but with a caveat:

RMR資格賽可以很殘酷。EG被淘汰了，很多好隊(duì)伍也是如此，頂級(jí)隊(duì)伍在BO1中也會(huì)遭遇危險(xiǎn)……人們一直在討論RMR的公平性和有什么可以改進(jìn)的地方。例如，Thorin想要把MAJOR名額分配給一些“精英隊(duì)伍”，這樣他們呢就不必和低級(jí)別的隊(duì)伍平等競(jìng)爭(zhēng)。在某種意義上，stavn對(duì)此表示贊成，但同時(shí)也有一點(diǎn)自己的看法。

“I feel there should be some kind of [prize slots for] the top teams from the previous Major. I pretty much agree with Thorin. I don’t know what it should be, if it should be like top four of the previous Major, maybe top eight, or the current top rank teams, something like that. Because I feel like there’s a world where some top teams choke in these best of ones, and we also saw that and it could go wrong. Obviously, then they probably didn’t deserve it. But then again, you don’t wanna see a Major without some top five teams. That’s not nice. It’s hard to say what the perfect system should be, but I think there could be some changes in it, for sure”.

我認(rèn)為可以設(shè)立一些（獎(jiǎng)勵(lì)席位）給前一次MAJOR中成績(jī)最好的一些隊(duì)伍，我很同意Thorin。我不知道具體形式是怎樣的，如果它應(yīng)該是獎(jiǎng)勵(lì)給上次MAJOR的前四，或前八，或者現(xiàn)在排名最高的隊(duì)伍，類(lèi)似這樣。因?yàn)槲矣X(jué)得這是一個(gè)某些頂級(jí)隊(duì)伍也會(huì)在BO1中爆冷的世界，并且我們也確實(shí)見(jiàn)證了這一點(diǎn)，這可能會(huì)導(dǎo)致一些錯(cuò)誤。顯然，他們可能并不值得這個(gè)名額。但話說(shuō)回來(lái)，你可能也就不會(huì)看一屆沒(méi)有某些前五隊(duì)伍的MAJOR了。那是不好的。很難說(shuō)完美的體系應(yīng)該是怎樣的，但我認(rèn)為當(dāng)然可以有一些改變。

重點(diǎn)聊聊HEROIC的隊(duì)員

在討論完MAJOR之后，我們轉(zhuǎn)向了HEROIC的陣容本身并且我也希望stavn去說(shuō)出一兩件有關(guān)隊(duì)友的事情以及他們有關(guān)MAJOR的準(zhǔn)備情況。現(xiàn)在距離refrezh和sjuush的加入已經(jīng)過(guò)了一年多一點(diǎn)了。?

“From the beginning, we actually played really well. We won our first tournament, ESL Pro League 13,? after only being together for a few weeks. So we just knew that this was a really good team. I and Refrezh have played together many years ago, back in Fragsters, a Danish team. So we have a good relationship. And also me and Casper [CadiaN]. We have played together for a long, long time now. And I’ve said this many times before as well, I and CadiaN have a really good synergy: obviously, he’s the in-game leader, the captain of the team. And I try to give a lot of ideas to him when we play. We just have a really good synergy regarding how to play the game.

“一開(kāi)始，我們打的確實(shí)很好，我們贏得了自己的第一場(chǎng)賽事冠軍，EPL13，在僅僅組到一起幾周之后。所以我們就知道了自己是一支真的很不錯(cuò)的隊(duì)伍。我和refrezh在很多年前就一起打過(guò)比賽了，當(dāng)時(shí)還在Fragsters，一支丹麥隊(duì)伍。所以我們關(guān)系很不錯(cuò)。我與cadiaN也是如此，我們已經(jīng)一起打了很久很久了。我也已經(jīng)在此前多次說(shuō)過(guò)了，我與點(diǎn)子哥的協(xié)同很不錯(cuò)：顯然，他是隊(duì)伍的指揮，也是整支隊(duì)伍的隊(duì)長(zhǎng)。而我嘗試在比賽中給他提供很多的點(diǎn)子。我們?cè)陉P(guān)于如何去玩這個(gè)游戲的方面有很好的協(xié)同效應(yīng)?！?/p>

關(guān)于隊(duì)伍中的角色，如果你問(wèn)我，我認(rèn)為sjuush是一個(gè)值得信賴的，可能也是世界上最棒的“anchor”（包點(diǎn)主方隊(duì)員/最后回防的隊(duì)員）。在CT方，他單防的區(qū)域不需要太多的幫助，他也非常擅長(zhǎng)保全自身，同時(shí)盡量換到更多的人頭，他是非常棒的anchor。TeSeS的瞄準(zhǔn)能力很強(qiáng)，我們?nèi)家?jiàn)識(shí)過(guò)他的掃射控槍。有時(shí)候這真的很瘋狂。這也是為什么他在T方控圖時(shí)經(jīng)常和對(duì)面對(duì)槍。Refrezh很了解這些自由人的角色，無(wú)論在CT還是T方。有時(shí)候他會(huì)有不同的視角，這給了我們很多優(yōu)勢(shì)。并且他對(duì)于游戲的思考也很多，是一個(gè)真的非常努力的玩家。我們很享受在一起打比賽。

隊(duì)伍突出的長(zhǎng)處和弱點(diǎn)是什么，stavn認(rèn)為快速的思考和創(chuàng)造性是優(yōu)點(diǎn)而做的太多則是缺點(diǎn)。?

“I think the strongest part of our team is our ability to find solutions in mid rounds when we are in these four on fours, both on CT and T with 40, 50 seconds on the clock. I think we are one of the best teams in the world at finding these solutions and coming up with ideas really quickly and everyone just are adapting and reacting to it. And we just have a really good flow when it comes to that. That is really important If you wanna be a top team. I think that’s probably one of our strongest parts. As for the weakest, it is hard to say. Every team has weaknesses. Maybe, we sometimes can be not closing out the rounds that we are supposed to win. Sometimes we overdo stuff in winnable situations, where we should a hundred percent win the round. And then sometimes we are not closing it out in the right way. I just think we need to work on it more, talk about the different scenarios that come up in game, and just keep improving, learning from mistakes.”

“我認(rèn)為我們最強(qiáng)的地方在于我們?cè)谥芯謺r(shí)找到勝利的解法，當(dāng)我們處于四打四的時(shí)候，無(wú)論是T還是CT在剩下40，50秒的時(shí)候，我認(rèn)為我們是世界上最擅長(zhǎng)找到解決辦法和快速想出辦法的隊(duì)伍之一，而且每個(gè)人都能對(duì)此做出調(diào)整和應(yīng)對(duì)。在談及這一點(diǎn)的時(shí)候我們有一套很不錯(cuò)的流程。如果你想成為一個(gè)頂級(jí)隊(duì)伍這一點(diǎn)是很重要的。我認(rèn)為這可能是我們最強(qiáng)的方面之一。至于我們最弱的方面，這很難說(shuō)。每個(gè)隊(duì)伍都有自己的弱點(diǎn)?；蛟S，我們有時(shí)候可能會(huì)拿不下本應(yīng)該拿下的回合。有時(shí)候我們?cè)谀軌蜈A的情況下做的過(guò)多了，當(dāng)我們本該100%拿下的時(shí)候。有時(shí)候我們不能正確的結(jié)束對(duì)局。我只是覺(jué)得我們需要在這上面花更多功夫，探討對(duì)局中出現(xiàn)的不同情形，并且不斷地進(jìn)步，從失誤中學(xué)習(xí)?！?/p>

教練，隊(duì)伍地化學(xué)反應(yīng)，和足球

隊(duì)伍最近的補(bǔ)充就是Richard “Xizt” Landstr?m，當(dāng)初是作為Heroic的臨時(shí)教練，但之后就與這個(gè)團(tuán)隊(duì)簽約了。即使Xizt來(lái)自瑞典，他還是完全明白這五個(gè)丹麥人在談?wù)撌裁矗?/strong>stavn向我們確認(rèn)到。

“Most of the time we just talk Danish and he understands what we say 100%. But we don’t understand his Swedish as well. [laughs] So when he’s taking a time out or when he’s explaining something, it’s mostly going in English, everyone on the team is really good at English. So it’s no problem. But I think it’s really amazing that he understands what we say in Danish. Xizt is an older guy. He’s been on the Counter-Strike scene for a long time. I wouldn’t say that he knew Danish before joining the team, but from what I’ve been told by him, he’s been playing with other Danish players in the earlier days, many years ago, so he has experience with Danish players. So it came really quickly to him.”

“大多數(shù)時(shí)候我們都說(shuō)丹麥語(yǔ)而且他百分百知道我們說(shuō)什么。但我們對(duì)他說(shuō)的瑞典語(yǔ)并不怎么了解。[笑]所以當(dāng)他叫暫停或解釋什么的時(shí)候，大多數(shù)時(shí)候都是用英語(yǔ)，隊(duì)伍里每個(gè)人的英語(yǔ)都很好，所以這不是問(wèn)題。但我認(rèn)為他理解我們用丹麥語(yǔ)說(shuō)什么真的很驚異。Xizt是年齡更大的前輩，他已經(jīng)在CS中打了很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間了。我并不知道他在加入隊(duì)伍之前懂丹麥語(yǔ)，但從他告訴我的事情，他早些年已經(jīng)一直有和丹麥選手搭檔，所以有過(guò)和丹麥選手一起的經(jīng)驗(yàn)。所以他融入的非?？??！?/p>

Heroic的良好化學(xué)反應(yīng)在我們的對(duì)話中會(huì)時(shí)不時(shí)地顯現(xiàn)。我不需要去問(wèn)他們是否參加過(guò)什么團(tuán)建活動(dòng)，從他們的言語(yǔ)間我就可以明白：他們僅是享受一起玩CS的好朋友。贏得獎(jiǎng)杯是他們唯一的目標(biāo)，這既是激勵(lì)也是壓力。

“[This picture of us playing keep-up] is just something we’ve been doing ever since we created the team, basically. I think everyone on the team enjoys football, enjoys watching the games and playing football. It gives a great team vibe, doing something else, some funny activities outside just sitting in front of the computer. So that’s something we do at almost every tournament: we bring a ball to the tournament and we just play some of it and get some fresh air. It’s something we enjoy a lot.

[這張我們玩顛球的照片]是我們自從建隊(duì)以來(lái)一直在做的事情，基本上。我想隊(duì)伍中每個(gè)人都喜歡足球，喜歡看比賽也喜歡自己上陣，這提供了一種很好的團(tuán)隊(duì)活力，做一些別的事情，一些有趣的活動(dòng)，而不是僅僅坐在電腦前。所以那是我們每個(gè)賽事間都會(huì)去做的事情：在賽事中帶一個(gè)足球，玩一些足球游戲呼吸一下新鮮空氣。這是我們非常享受的。

我支持巴塞羅那，尤其是梅西，我是他的粉絲。他現(xiàn)在在PSG，所以我也支持他們，但主要還是因?yàn)槊肺?。因?yàn)辄c(diǎn)子哥是羅納爾多的粉絲，所以我們有時(shí)會(huì)產(chǎn)生一些熱烈的爭(zhēng)論。在足球之外，那可能時(shí)我們唯一有很大分歧的地方，但我們?nèi)耘f可以一起看比賽和享受足球。

Casper “CadiaN” M?ller似乎對(duì)于stavn來(lái)說(shuō)是很重要的人。Martin(Stavn)也同意了這一點(diǎn)。

自打我還是個(gè)小孩的時(shí)候我就開(kāi)始玩CS了。這基本上就是所有我知道的了。但在職業(yè)層面上，我會(huì)說(shuō)點(diǎn)子哥對(duì)我影響最大。他很富有經(jīng)驗(yàn)，打了很多年比賽且當(dāng)他加入Heroic的時(shí)候，我們一拍即合。我們以那樣的方式互相影響對(duì)方的職業(yè)生涯并一同進(jìn)步。

丹麥和家庭

在丹麥，電競(jìng)項(xiàng)目已經(jīng)廣泛地傳播開(kāi)且如今已經(jīng)非常普遍了。但建立這些都是需要時(shí)間的。挖掘一下stavn的生涯和職業(yè)發(fā)展，我問(wèn)了stavn關(guān)于他是如何走進(jìn)CS世界的。

“In general, esports all over the world has been increasing a lot in the recent years. Back when I was six years old, I don’t think it was that natural that every family and parents wanted to have their child play computer games all day. But I come from a different family, because my dad always was really fond of video games. And it’s just been a really integral part of my childhood and I’m really grateful for it. But I think nowadays, in 2022, esports has grown a lot in Denmark. We have one of the main TV channels showing every tournament with a lot of viewers. We have communities. And Astralis helped a lot: they have created this big amusement park in Copenhagen where people can come and play CS for fun. So I think it has grown a lot in recent years and it’s more normal now.”

總的來(lái)說(shuō)，電競(jìng)項(xiàng)目在全世界范圍內(nèi)都在近幾年快速發(fā)展。當(dāng)我只有六歲的時(shí)候，我不認(rèn)為每個(gè)家庭和父母希望他們的孩子整天打電腦是一件自然的事情。但我來(lái)自一個(gè)不同的家庭，因?yàn)槲业母赣H很喜歡電子游戲。這成為了我童年中完整的一部分，我真的很感激它。但我認(rèn)為現(xiàn)在，在2022年，電子競(jìng)技在丹麥成長(zhǎng)了很多。我們有一個(gè)主要的電視頻道播放每個(gè)賽事，觀看人數(shù)也很多。我們還有社區(qū)。并且Astralis對(duì)此幫助很大：他們?cè)诟绫竟鶆?chuàng)造了這個(gè)巨大的游樂(lè)園，在那里人們可以來(lái)打CS娛樂(lè)。所以我認(rèn)為電競(jìng)在近幾年發(fā)展很快而且已經(jīng)越來(lái)越普遍了。

M9刺刀向shox致敬

作為總結(jié)，我問(wèn)stavn有關(guān)他最喜歡的CS:GO皮膚和為什么他選擇穿戴它們。一個(gè)令人驚訝的故事出現(xiàn)了。

“[I have a] M9 Bayonet that has some more meaning to it. It’s obviously a cool skin, but… When I was little and saw Richard “shox” Papillon playing, I became a big fan. It was at the start of CS:GO, when he was one of the best players in the world, for sure. He had the M9 Bayonet Crimson Web. And yeah, I remember when I started playing CS, I tried to copy him, so I had one for myself. Minimal Wear. Field-Tested is not so good, Minimal Wear is better. [laughs]”

[我有一個(gè)] 有更多意義的M9 刺刀。這顯然是一個(gè)很酷的皮膚，但是……當(dāng)我還小的時(shí)候，看到 Richard “shox” Papillon 的比賽時(shí)，我成為了他的忠實(shí)粉絲。那是在 CS:GO發(fā)展的早期，當(dāng)時(shí)的他是世界上最好的選手之一。他有 M9 紅網(wǎng)刺刀。是的，我記得當(dāng)我開(kāi)始玩 CS 時(shí)，我試圖模仿他，所以我自己也搞來(lái)了一把。略磨的。久經(jīng)沙場(chǎng)的不是那么好，略有磨損更好。[笑]”

Stavn最喜歡的三款皮膚

原文地址 https://blog.cs.money/en/selebrities/heroic-stavn-major-chemistry-football-danish-esports-rmr-system-and-more/

翻譯：空氣?

校對(duì)：山姆 櫻井良

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