凱特.布蘭切特「時代周刊」2023年度女性采訪

【人物介紹】

When Cate Blanchett was around 5, she wrote a mini essay—saved for years by her mother and unearthed serendipitously during a recent move—envisioning her possible future as an adult: “When I grow up, I would like to be a man. I would still love my family. But I could light a fire and go to work. And when I’m bored being a man, I think I’ll just be me.”

當凱特·布蘭切特大約5歲時，她寫了一篇小文章，她的母親保存了多年，最近在搬家期間偶然發(fā)現(xiàn)——她設(shè)想自己成為一個成年人的可能性：“當我長大了，我想成為一個男人。我仍然會愛我的家人。但我可以生火做事。當我厭倦做男人時，我想我只會做我自己。”

Blanchett, 53, is drawn to multi-shaded characters who don’t court our approval—an all-time favorite is Ibsen’s compulsive manipulator Hedda Gabler, whom she’s played onstage—but Lydia Tár, in all her self-destructive glory and compelling unlikability,is like no one else we’ve ever seen onscreen. “We’re all imperfect creatures. And sometimes we don’t want to look at the unthinking, unintentional, inexplicable, ambiguous sides of being female,” Blanchett says. “We are brave, we are noble, we are generous, we are collaborative. But we are also the dark side of that, because women are complex beings.”

現(xiàn)年53歲的布蘭切特喜歡多維度的角色，這些角色不追求我們的認可，其中一個她最喜歡的角色是易卜生戲劇《Hedda Gabler》中那個強迫性的操縱者，她曾在舞臺上扮演過。但莉迪婭·塔爾以其毀滅性的榮耀和引人入勝的反感之處，是我們在銀幕上從未見過的。布蘭切特說：“我們都是不完美的生物。有時候我們不想看到女性存在的無意識、無意圖、無法解釋、模棱兩可的方面，我們勇敢、高尚、慷慨、合作。但我們也有陰暗面，因為女性是復(fù)雜的存在?！?/p>

【中英文演講稿】

Oftentimes as an actor, you're asked to or expected to make sense of something for the audience. For me, cinema is more a place where your unformed thoughts and feelings, collect into a collective space and through the narrative. They're off…… you're offered a pathway into insights, but it's not to ask you to think or feel something. And that's what I loved about Tar is that there's no right or wrong way to view the film.

作為演員，你常常被要求或期望為觀眾解釋某些事情。對我來說，電影更多的像是你未成形的想法和感受，在敘事中匯聚成一個集體的空間。它們是開放的……給你提供了一條可以深入了解的路徑，但并不是要求你去思考或感受什么。這就是我喜歡《塔爾》的原因，因為沒必要用對錯來欣賞這部電影。

In order to truly create an ambiguous character you have to hold two opposing ideas in your mind at the same time.?Because we we often look at characters and I think women in film have suffered from this where we have to understand them, we have to relate to them, we have to like them that they can't do unexpected, unpalatable or complicated things that they can't hold that ambiguity within them.

為了真正創(chuàng)造一個不明確的角色，你必須同時在頭腦中保持兩種相反的想法。因為我們經(jīng)?？吹降慕巧沁@樣的，電影中的女性一直受到這些影響，是我們必須理解她們，與她們產(chǎn)生共鳴，喜歡她們，但她們不能做出人意料、不可接受或復(fù)雜的事情，她們不能持有這種不確定性。

I think the idea that one female character represents all of female experience is a very……I was going to say old-fashioned one. “women are not a monolith”. I thought my use by date when I stepped in front of the screen as a 25 year old, it was five years. And of course there's been trailblazing women behind and in front of the camera who have kept pushing that used by date beyond that. They've pushed the possibilities of what women can play.

我認為一個女性角色代表所有女性經(jīng)歷的想法是非?！吓f的看法?！芭圆⒉皇且幻秵我坏氖^”。當我作為一個25歲的女性出現(xiàn)在屏幕前時，我認為我的銀幕壽命只有五年。當然，在幕后和幕前有一些杰出女性，他們一直在推動銀幕壽命的可能性，超越了5年的期限。他們推動了女性可以扮演任何角色的可能性。

What attracts me to a role is the strangeness of the ask and the potential quality of the conversation of the people that you're going to be spending time with.?

吸引我去扮演一個角色的是電影角色的奇怪程度和與你對戲的人之間，一起談話的潛在質(zhì)量。

Because film it's a temporal medium and so it takes a lot of time to prepare, to shoot, to talk about. And so you have to be pretty in love with the ideas of the film, with the people that you're making it with and the range of the character.?

因為電影是一種時間性媒介，所以準備、拍攝、討論需要很長時間。因此，你必須對電影的理念、與你一起制作電影的人以及角色的表演范圍非常熱愛。

And sometimes you know you can die on page nine, and sometimes you are the one who is most propulsive character in the narrative, those things are immaterial to me.?

有時候你知道你可能在第九頁就被殺了，有時候你是敘事中最具推動力的角色，這些對我來說都是無關(guān)緊要的。

But in the case of Lydia Tar it was being in dialogue with Todd field. And I think that the vastness and dangerous quality of the questions that the script held, that's the exciting thing when you can connect into and you never know whether this is this is going to happen or not. But you connect into the zeitgeist but then you're also making something that's going to stand the test of time.

但在莉迪婭·塔爾的角色中，我是因為與托德·菲爾德對話而參演。我認為劇本所提出的廣闊和危險的問題，這是令人興奮的，當你能夠參與其中時，你永遠不知道會發(fā)生什么。但你與時代精神相連，并創(chuàng)造出了經(jīng)得起時間考驗的作品。