College cheating scandal: Can system be fixed?

美國大學(xué)舞弊丑聞: 招生系統(tǒng)能被修復(fù)嗎？

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Wonderboy
This is not white privilege, it is wealthprivilege. I scored the highest SAT in my High school (over 1000 students) butbecause I'm asian I only got partial academic scholarships offered from myfirst choice schools. (I was offered full scholarships from smaller schools). Iwent to a Division one school (Clemson University) where I met students on fullscholarship with SAT scores over 400 points lower than mine because they wereblack. Their scores were only slightly above average among all high schoolers,and simply average at Clemson among the general student body. What is thisprivilege everyone is talking about? The story ends well. I worked hard, got aseries of great jobs and life has turned out great. You don't need privilege tomake a good life for yourself. There will always be people who get an easierpath. Don't let it get you down. Make your own "best life".

這不是白人的特權(quán)，而是財(cái)富的特權(quán)， 我在高中的 SAT 成績是最高的(超過1000名學(xué)生) ，但是因?yàn)槲沂莵喼奕耍抑荒軓奈业牡谝恢驹笇W(xué)校得到部分獎(jiǎng)學(xué)金， (在其它一些小學(xué)校我能得到全額獎(jiǎng)學(xué)金)， 最后我選擇拿部分獎(jiǎng)學(xué)金去了排名靠前的克萊姆森大學(xué)。在那里我遇到了拿全額獎(jiǎng)學(xué)金的學(xué)生，但他們的 SAT 成績比我低400分，因?yàn)樗麄兌际呛谌耍?在所有的高中生中，他們的分?jǐn)?shù)僅略高于平均水平，而在克萊姆森大學(xué)的普通學(xué)生中，他們的分?jǐn)?shù)僅僅是平均水平，每個(gè)人都在談?wù)撨@種特權(quán)是什么？ 這個(gè)故事結(jié)局不錯(cuò)，我努力工作，得到了一系列很棒的工作，生活也變得很美好， 你不需要靠特權(quán)來為自己創(chuàng)造美好的生活， 總會(huì)有人走上更簡單的道路，不要因此而沮喪， 去創(chuàng)造屬于自己的"最好的生活"吧。

david d
Wealthy people have been donating largeamounts of money for decades to get their kids into good colleges there arebuildings named after them, this is not new.

有錢人幾十年來一直捐贈(zèng)大量的錢讓他們的孩子進(jìn)入好的大學(xué)，有些建筑是以他們的名字命名的，這并不是什么新鮮事。

Jeff2
The college admissions system is hopelesslyand irrevocably broken in the same sense that Congress and the executive branchand the judicial branch are broken. It takes their consent to fix it, and theywill refuse to fix it, since they benefit from it being broken.

就像國會(huì)、行政部門和司法部門分崩離析一樣，大學(xué)招生制度已經(jīng)無可救藥、無可挽回地崩潰了，修復(fù)它需要那些人的同意，而他們會(huì)拒絕修復(fù)，因?yàn)樗麄兡軓闹蝎@益。

Gathroan
I have no sympathy for these folks, whydoes everyone believe college is the only way to go? One of my boys went tocollege and got his masters; for years I told him go down to any union hall andget an apprenticeship, after not finding a job he finally listened and is aplumber making more then me.

我對(duì)這些人沒有任何同情心，為什么每個(gè)人都認(rèn)為上大學(xué)是唯一的出路？ 我的一個(gè)兒子上了大學(xué)，拿到了碩士學(xué)位; 多年以來，我一直告訴他去找一個(gè)工會(huì)大廳做學(xué)徒，在找不到工作之后，他終于聽進(jìn)去了，做了一個(gè)水管工，現(xiàn)在掙得比我還多。

RICHARD
I don't think universities should letpeople in just because they are good at a sport. They are supposed to beeducational establishments, so entry should be based on academic potential. Idoubt that will change, since college sports are big business, but at least weshould recognize the consequences of our sports fanaticism.

我認(rèn)為大學(xué)不應(yīng)該僅僅因?yàn)槿藗兩瞄L某項(xiàng)運(yùn)動(dòng)就讓他們進(jìn)入， 他們應(yīng)該是教育高校，所以進(jìn)入應(yīng)該基于學(xué)術(shù)潛力， 我懷疑這種情況不會(huì)改變，因?yàn)榇髮W(xué)體育是一項(xiàng)大生意，但至少我們應(yīng)該認(rèn)識(shí)到體育狂熱的后果。

Papa
One student, a wealthy individual namedThornton Mellon allegedly paid to get into college. I remember him asking oneof the teachers out and she declined saying she had class. He said what abouttomorrow and she said no I have class tomorrow also. Mellon then replied, letme know when you have no class and we will go out.

一個(gè)名叫桑頓 ?梅隆的有錢學(xué)生據(jù)稱花錢上了大學(xué)， 我記得他想約一個(gè)老師出去，她拒絕了，說她有課，然后他說那明天怎么樣，她說不，我明天也有課， 梅隆接著回答說: 什么時(shí)候你沒課的話，告訴我一聲，我們就出去。（那家伙當(dāng)時(shí)就是這么囂張。）

Allen
Colleges have been doing this for years.Nothing is going to change, If you got the money, you can buy your way in.

大學(xué)已經(jīng)這樣做很多年了， 什么都不會(huì)改變，如果你有錢，你就可以自己買進(jìn)去。

AnonymousTroll
Are we going to talk about the fact thatlike half of high school students are now diagnosed with ADD and then go onAdderal so they can get an advantage?

我們是不是要討論這樣一個(gè)事實(shí)，那就是現(xiàn)在有一半的高中生都聲稱被診斷為注意力缺乏癥，然后在服用阿德拉藥物，這樣他們就可以作為殘疾考生獲得升學(xué)優(yōu)勢(shì)？

David #1
Guess whose gonna be made an example of? Ifthere were no famous people involved, nothing would have come of it

猜猜誰會(huì)被殺一儆百？ 如果沒有名人參與，什么調(diào)查也不會(huì)發(fā)生

JC45055 OTR Driver
Can college admissions be fixed? Sure theycan. The question is how do you control the flow of money that they require toget admitted into a big name college? Answer is you can't. College's set thestandards based on their professor's salaries and the type of education theyteach to the student body. Plus other things and what you have is the need formore money and more money and whoever comes up with it gets in. You might be a"Genius" and if you're broke you don't get in. It's just that way.Money talks and you know the rest...

大學(xué)錄取系統(tǒng)可以修復(fù)嗎？當(dāng)然可以， 問題是你如何控制他們進(jìn)入著名大學(xué)所進(jìn)行的資金交易？ 答案是你不能。 大學(xué)根據(jù)他們教授的薪水和他們教給學(xué)生的教育類型來制定收費(fèi)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)， 加上其他的東西，你所需要的是更多的更多的錢，能拿出來錢的都能進(jìn)去，你可能是個(gè)"天才"，但如果你沒錢，你就進(jìn)不去，就是這樣， 有錢能使鬼推磨，其他的你都知道...

Derek Zoolander
The system needs third party admissionscommittees and anonymous applications without names, genders, or races. Also,student athletes are chosen for teams AFTER they earn admission.

這個(gè)系統(tǒng)需要第三方招生委員會(huì)和沒有姓名、性別或種族的匿名申請(qǐng)， 同時(shí)，學(xué)生運(yùn)動(dòng)員在獲得入學(xué)許可后需要被選入隊(duì)伍才行。

NitaM
"The College Board" needsoversight and possibly needs to be dismantled as well.

"大學(xué)理事會(huì)"需要監(jiān)督，也可能需要解散。

Mickey Moose
I bet they haven’t even scratched thesurface yet. There was a lot that came out in a short time. I bet there are alot of nervous people out there hoping they don’t get caught now that this hasbeen exposed.

我敢打賭，這些甚至還沒有觸及表面， 在很短的時(shí)間里，已經(jīng)有很多事情發(fā)生了，有很多希望他們不會(huì)被抓到的人在緊張，因?yàn)楹芏嘁呀?jīng)暴露了。

david d
They will never stop giving out sportsscholarships because the sports programs make to much money for the schools.

他們永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)停止發(fā)放體育獎(jiǎng)學(xué)金，因?yàn)轶w育項(xiàng)目為高校賺了很多錢。

linda
What the legitimate student and theirparents go through to wait for the college admins reply to their entry requestis grueling yet we are 'brought up' to believe that these institutions (&on the outside corporations) are on the 'up and up'. An 18 year old who did allthe right things to get into college got screwed by these people and more likethem in colleges throughout the U.S. I hope they all win on their lawsuitsagainst this - without a fair shake in these areas the good students entirelife is impacted.

大學(xué)管理員處理合法學(xué)生的入學(xué)申請(qǐng)時(shí)，學(xué)生和他們的父母經(jīng)歷的等待令人精疲力盡，然而我們從小就被教育要相信這些高校(以及外面的公司)正在"不斷改進(jìn)"， 一個(gè)18歲的孩子為了進(jìn)入大學(xué)做了所有正確的事情，卻被這些人把全美的大學(xué)搞得一團(tuán)糟，我希望這些人都能被訴訟——如果在這些領(lǐng)域沒有公平的待遇，好學(xué)生的整個(gè)人生都會(huì)受到影響。

John
Colleges are failing badly because they nolonger teach students how to think, they are teaching what to think. It is notworth the out of this world costs to go to the "big" named schoolsany more......if it ever was!

大學(xué)之所以失敗，是因?yàn)樗鼈儾辉偈谌艘詽O，而是直接授人以魚， 再也不值得花這么多錢去那些"著名"的高校了... 如果曾經(jīng)是的話！

130688
Not surprised it's been going on since ivyleagues been around.Can anyone honestly say all the past presidents childrenwere all smart enough to get into these institutions.I mean the odds are 5%acceptance rate yet they are 100% accepted.At the same time that's what makesthese schools sought after.I have 2 sons and I can admit it hurt me when one ofthem didn't get accepted to his top choice schools.I wish I had a connection atthat time(glad I didn't now) .He ended up going to a state school where heexcelled and eventually made it to his dream school for graduate school.Alsoyou can't blame schools for bad apple staff.Except maybe Usc who has a historywith this kind of stuff.

這種情況自常春藤聯(lián)盟成立以來就一直存在，這并不奇怪，有人能誠實(shí)地說，所有前任校長的孩子都足夠聰明，能夠進(jìn)入這些高校嗎? 我的意思是，錄取率只有5% ，但他們卻100% 被錄取， 都能進(jìn)入一所公立高校，在那里表現(xiàn)出色，并最終進(jìn)入他們夢(mèng)寐以求的研究生高校。

Ralph
I guess Felicity Huffman may not beattending the Women's March this year?

我想菲麗西提?霍夫曼可能不會(huì)再參加今年的婦女大游行了吧？

Tricky Dick
Sorry but I don’t get the fingers pointingat these rich people, it’s what they do. They’ve been doing it for years. Butwhy aren’t these universities being held accountable? How is this any differentthan large corporations “donating” money to politicians so they vote the waythey want them to? Why isn’t the FBI doing anything about that.

對(duì)不起，但是我不想把矛頭指向這些有錢人，他們就是這么做的，已經(jīng)做了很多年了，但是為什么這些大學(xué)沒有被追究責(zé)任呢？ 這和大公司"捐"錢給政客，讓他們按照自己的意愿投票有什么區(qū)別嗎？為什么聯(lián)邦調(diào)查局不做點(diǎn)什么。

interesting
really 10 to 20 years. I get that it is notright, but we should be putting things like this in to a little betterperspective. if on 50...FIFTY people have been arrested, are we really spendinggovernment money on this... how many students are we talking about here... 200300... out of the MILLIONS of kids in colleges.... .02%. costing tax payers howmany millions in the investigation... Just one other point of view.

10到20年， 我知道這是不對(duì)的，但是我們應(yīng)該從一個(gè)更好的角度來看待這個(gè)問題，如果只有五十人被捕，我們真的要把政府的錢花在這上面嗎... 我想談?wù)摰氖怯卸嗌賹W(xué)生... 200，300... 在數(shù)百萬大學(xué)生中... . 比例太低了， 但是這些調(diào)查需要花費(fèi)納稅人多少個(gè)百萬呢... 只是另一個(gè)角度的觀點(diǎn)。

John
Of course it can be fixed. Rich kids haveno need to go to college. Fixed.

當(dāng)然可以修復(fù)， 有錢的孩子不需要上大學(xué)，解決了。

Justjan
These parents have hurt their children incountless ways! Wasn't worth it!!

這些父母用無數(shù)種方式傷害了他們的孩子！ 不值得！

Tom
Every college has this issue.

每所大學(xué)都有這個(gè)問題。

NYC
Virtually all the parents caught up in thescandal are high-octane, uber-ambitious, over-achievers. Instilling those samues into their children--hard work and perseverance--would've cost them muchless money, legal fees, and possible jail time. And the benefits to theirchildren would've been priceless.

實(shí)際上，所有卷入這場(chǎng)丑聞的父母都是精力充沛、雄心勃勃、事業(yè)有成的人， 將同樣的價(jià)值觀灌輸給他們的孩子---- 努力工作和堅(jiān)持不懈---- 會(huì)讓他們花費(fèi)更少的金錢、律師費(fèi)和可能的牢獄之災(zāi)，而且這對(duì)他們孩子的好處是無價(jià)的。