（因?yàn)橹骶€人物的雜談引起了更多的討論，視頻的評(píng)論區(qū)也會(huì)越來越熱鬧，而且主線人物的復(fù)雜性也會(huì)使Razielim的視頻顯得有些不完整，所以我也會(huì)順便搬運(yùn)一些有價(jià)值的評(píng)論作為補(bǔ)充）

（瑪吉斯的評(píng)論非常豐富，這里僅僅收錄了一些對(duì)劇情分析有啟發(fā)性的進(jìn)行漢化，文本稍多，但看到最后有驚喜）

原視頻：

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Zv411J7BL

我明白阿莉娜失去了她的道德和耐心，但是似乎燈花和音夢(mèng)失去她們的道德和耐心的情況沒有解釋清楚

especially Nemu because (Spoiler if u haven't read her personal story) she literally watches a member of magius get killed in a witch labyrinth

尤其是音夢(mèng)（來自她個(gè)人劇情的劇透）她字面上得看到了瑪吉斯的一個(gè)成員在魔女結(jié)界中被殺【個(gè)人劇情第二話】

——by Red Magnus My housewife

????????actually I make the point in the video that Touka loses her morals and patience?

????????事實(shí)上我在視頻里說到了燈花失去道德和耐心這一點(diǎn)

????????because she grows frustrated and angry when problems arise and she immediately ???????allows those emotions to make her make terrible decisions?

????????其原因是她因?yàn)槊鎸?duì)問題時(shí)產(chǎn)生的挫折和憤怒，而且她立刻使得這些情緒讓她做出可怕的決定

????????and to be completely honest, I dont think Touka ever had good morals at all,?

????????而且，如果讓我完全誠實(shí)的說，我并不認(rèn)為燈花有任何好的道德可言

????????at most she has a selection of a handful of people she cares about but toward any stranger she ranges from indifferent to hostile

????????最多只有一個(gè)小圈子的人是她關(guān)心的，至于那些陌生人，她的態(tài)度從冷漠到不友好之間不等

????????????????——by Razielim

????????Touka is completely understandable to have 0 morals towards people outside her personal circle.?

????????說燈花對(duì)于她的朋友圈之外的人沒有道德是可以理解的

????????I'm not saying she is right to do so, but we can see where her selfishness comes from.?

????????我不是說她這么做是對(duì)的，但是我們可以看看她的這種自利的心態(tài)來源于何處

????????But i totally miss where Nemu lost her morality as well.?

????????但我完全錯(cuò)過了音夢(mèng)失去道德的時(shí)間點(diǎn)

????????I always saw Nemu as the less destructive of the 3 Magius, and thought that her morality could prevent the other 2 sociopaths from going ham on Kamihama,

????????我一直把音夢(mèng)看做瑪吉斯三人組最不具破壞性的那個(gè)，而且我認(rèn)為她的道德可以阻止另外反社會(huì)人格障礙者破壞神濱

????????but i guess i understood her wrong or the writers forgot about that. Anyway, Nemu best Magius

????????現(xiàn)在看來我可能理解錯(cuò)了，或者作者忘記了這些，無論如何，音夢(mèng)是最好的瑪吉斯

????????????????——by Matheus Souza

? ????????@Matheus Souza? ?I always saw Touka and Alina as egotistical and arrogant while Nemu seemed to be emotionally detached from everyone except a select few,

????????@前一個(gè)評(píng)論者 我一直把燈花、阿莉娜看做自我本位的，傲慢的人，而音夢(mèng)似乎情感上和大多數(shù)人處于脫鉤的狀態(tài)，除了少數(shù)她在意的

? ????????to me she, alongside Mifuyu, was a counterweight for the other two but not due ???any particular feeling of empathy IMO,?

????????對(duì)我來說，她和美冬，她們是另外兩個(gè)人的制衡，不過她這不是對(duì)誰有同情，

????????she as the coldest and most calculating of the three probably kept the other two centered on the mission in moments when anger and frustration was about to make them act rashly;?

????????她可能是三人組中最冷峻最算計(jì)的，讓其他兩個(gè)人在因?yàn)閼嵟痛鞌《赡芷騺y來時(shí)，使她們重新將精神集中到目標(biāo)上

????????while a lot credit for the organization goes to Mifuyu without Nemu's authority I think we would had seen a much more violent, less pacient and less effective Wings of Magius.

????????雖然組織的信譽(yù)基本上靠美冬維持，但是如果沒有音夢(mèng)的威信，我感覺我們會(huì)看到一個(gè)更加暴力，更沒耐心，更沒效率的瑪吉斯羽翼組織

——by Sealdeam

????????My interpretation is that Touka was never the nicest person,?

????????我的理解是燈花從來不是最善良的人，

????????and to a lesser extent neither was Nemu,?

????????某種較好的程度上來說，音夢(mèng)也不是，

????????but being with Ui helped temper their actions and teach them to consider the feelings of others before acting.?

????????但是和憂在一起，憂緩和了她們的行動(dòng)并且教會(huì)了她們?cè)谛袆?dòng)之前考慮他人的感受

????????With Ui gone, so was that teaching, causing them to revert to how they would have acted.?

????????憂沒了之后，那些教導(dǎo)也沒有了，使得她們轉(zhuǎn)變?yōu)榱怂齻儽緯?huì)成為的那樣

????????Now they were spending most of their time with Alina, who wasn't the best role model and instead supported their more selfish side?

????????而且她們現(xiàn)在和阿莉娜待在一起的時(shí)間最多，阿莉娜也不是最好的道德模范，相反她支持了她們更自私的一面

????????causing an echo chamber where their more malicious ideas were reinforced over the alternative.

????????這造成了一個(gè)回音室，她們各自更邪惡的一面通過對(duì)方不斷的在此被加強(qiáng)

????????????????——by angeldude101

? ????????@Raz Anime? ?Touka makes a lot of morally reprochable actions but I don't think that's enough to claim she has no good morals?

????????@Raz Anime（即是作者Razielim，不同賬號(hào)而已） 燈花做出了很多應(yīng)受道德譴責(zé)的決定，但是我不認(rèn)為這足以宣稱她毫無道德

????????when her wish and her original plan contradicts that statment by being completely selfless.

????????因?yàn)樗脑S愿和她一開始的計(jì)劃反駁了那些【她毫無道德的】指控，她在那些情況下完全是無私的

????????The writting isn't the best, but I think her character and her actions are complex enough to not make such an absolute claim about her morality.

????????寫作確實(shí)不夠好，但是我覺得她的角色和行動(dòng)已經(jīng)足夠復(fù)雜，使得我們不能對(duì)于她的道德做出決絕的宣判

????????Yeah, Touka is indifferent to hostile to people but she has an open way to win her over.?

????????是的，燈花確乎對(duì)于普通人冷漠而不友好，但是她允許其他人讓她改觀

????????There is a difference between having no kindness and having to earn that kindness.?

????????毫無善意【慈悲】和需要掙得善意【慈悲】之間是有區(qū)別的

????????For example, both, Ui and Touka have kindness within them, but while Ui gives it freely, with Touka you have to earn it.

????????比如，憂和燈花都有善意的一面，但是憂無償?shù)膶⑺宫F(xiàn)給所有人，但對(duì)于燈花，你需要爭(zhēng)取它

????????????????——DrBXXI

The Magius infuriate me because I want to side with them,?

瑪吉斯激怒了我因?yàn)槲移鋵?shí)想和她們合作的

but everything mentioned in this video has made it impossible for me to work with them.

但是她們?cè)谝曨l中被提及的各種行為使我不可能和她們合作

?In particular, I want to meet Touka personally and slap her across the face for being such an idiot.?

尤其是，我想直接和燈花見面并且賞她兩個(gè)耳光，她是如此的白癡

You're so concerned about getting more energy faster to the point of being willing to kill people,?

她過于關(guān)注從其他人那里快速的獲得能量，甚至不惜殺人

while forgetting that you yourselves are effectively walking perpetual motion machines capable of generating an infinite amount of energy over time.

但她忘記了她自己就是一個(gè)自走永動(dòng)機(jī)，可以逐漸的產(chǎn)生無限量的能量

——by angeldude101

????????Touka’s an arrogant 11-year old wealthy child prodigy whose exceptional intellect netted her tons of praise and inflated her ego?

????????燈花是一個(gè)高傲的十一歲神童，她的與眾不同的智力給了她數(shù)以噸級(jí)的贊譽(yù)并且膨脹了她的自我

????????so she’s even less likely to question herself than an average 11-year old.?

????????所以她比起一般的11歲小孩更加不會(huì)反思

????????She also probably has a warped sense of the value of human life after growing up with a disease that was expected to kill her at a young age.?

????????她也可能對(duì)于人的生命有一個(gè)歪曲的感知，因?yàn)樗砷L(zhǎng)中即伴隨著在可預(yù)見的未來，在她還年輕的時(shí)候就足以取她性命的疾病

????????To put it bluntly, she’s super smart, but not wise at all.?

????????直白的說，她很聰明，但和明智無緣

????????Without Ui’s grounding influence, I’m not surprised she went way too far.?

????????沒有憂的穩(wěn)定性的影響，我一點(diǎn)都不驚訝她能夠走那么遠(yuǎn)【雙關(guān)】

????????That said, she’s still one of my favorite characters.?

????????然而，她依舊是我最喜歡的角色之一【so do I】

????????She had some really good logical takes on stuff like, say, the whole “soul-gem means I’m a zombie, wah!” thing.?

????????她有很多獨(dú)特的邏輯，比如“靈魂寶石意味著，我就是僵尸，哇哦！”

????????I always got the sense that she has the potential to be a really, genuinely good person,?

????????我經(jīng)常感覺，她會(huì)有潛力變成一個(gè)非常的，真正的，出色的人，

????????but ONLY if she’s surrounded by people who counter her callous impatient tendencies & guide her to think outside of her own perspective.?

????????但僅在于她周圍有那些人的情況下，那些和她的冷酷，沒有耐心的傾向相反的，并且引導(dǎo)她跳出自我視域進(jìn)行思考的人

????????So basically, people like Ui and Iroha.

????????所以這就是為什么，大家都喜歡憂和彩羽的原因。

????????????????????——by Virginia Connor

我想說的：

????主線第九章的評(píng)論區(qū)BV1Vb411z7HW大家對(duì)于瑪吉斯的得失已經(jīng)討論的很多了，不過我覺得還有一些值得補(bǔ)充的，

????作者在思考瑪吉斯的問題的時(shí)候沒有從這樣一個(gè)角度進(jìn)行理解，之前魔法少女因?yàn)樵O(shè)定的問題，互相傾向于敵對(duì)而不是合作是正常的，甚至是注定的（——這還要感謝瑪吉斯，她們的一系列計(jì)劃使得神濱的魔法少女和魔女都實(shí)現(xiàn)了數(shù)量上的巨大增長(zhǎng)，這使得神濱魔法少女的社會(huì)結(jié)構(gòu)出現(xiàn)質(zhì)變變得可能，而這恰恰是現(xiàn)代性的基礎(chǔ)，否則好一點(diǎn)宛如隔壁的見瀧原，差一點(diǎn)就是隔壁的二木市），瑪吉斯的思維一開始就并不渴望通過常規(guī)的合作手段達(dá)到她們的目的，在她們的想法中，希望的是憑借強(qiáng)大的外部力量【從普通的謠言，再到螯合游樂園，最后夸張的到魔女之夜】一勞永逸的從根源上改變魔法少女的社會(huì)。

????大家都會(huì)說，瑪吉斯三人組分別對(duì)應(yīng)了二戰(zhàn)的軸心國三巨頭【燈花：德意志的阿道夫.H，阿莉娜：意大利的貝尼托.M，音夢(mèng)：日本的昭和.皇】另一種聲音是將瑪吉斯比作某些誤入歧途的革命者，我會(huì)覺得，，，格局小了，硬要把她們套到歷史中的人物上會(huì)發(fā)現(xiàn)一些很明顯的別扭之處【比如燈花和阿莉娜到底誰對(duì)應(yīng)誰的問題】但是我覺得如果從宏觀的視角上看就會(huì)略微開朗一點(diǎn)，主要從文化上而不是主要是政治上，不妨，把瑪吉斯三人組看做人類社會(huì)“現(xiàn)代性”的三種要素

????這一點(diǎn)上燈花看上去就像維多利亞時(shí)代高傲的英國人【或者英國文化】，她/他們因?yàn)檎莆樟诵碌乃坪跏悄茏屇茉慈≈槐M的技術(shù)而自以為是救世主，自以為高人一等，她的哥特式服裝和對(duì)永動(dòng)機(jī)的癡迷似乎就是那種文化的一種寫照，而她也如那個(gè)時(shí)代的人一樣，高傲自以為是，認(rèn)為拯救其他人是“白人的責(zé)任”。

????而音夢(mèng)那套學(xué)院服則類似象征著典型知識(shí)分子型的歐陸人【大陸文化】，她/他們一方面保有對(duì)于周圍人的同情和倫理熱忱【雨果、高爾基】，另一方面她/他們也是積極的將她/他們的理念的積極的“具現(xiàn)化”為顯示的社會(huì)制度【“謠”】，首先是自己的社會(huì)制度【芬特霍普酒店】，然后再是其他人的【從言靈神社開始】，本意都是美好，或者最多將傷害看做奮斗過程中的損失，越少越好，但是在后來的發(fā)展中越來越離譜，到最后首先是侵略他人，然后又是剝削自己人。

????至于A前輩，不用說代表了現(xiàn)代性中一種破壞性的力量，“藝術(shù)”，那種藝術(shù)不是古典派或者印象派的繪畫——這反倒屬于音夢(mèng)——，而是更加狂熱的，奧地利維也納落榜藝術(shù)生的藝術(shù)，有意思的是，音夢(mèng)的服裝在腿部有一個(gè)腳鏈，而A前輩的魔法少女服裝恰恰和獄警非常類似，這種意向的對(duì)應(yīng)怕是一種很有意思的巧合。

????本來，病房三人組【一般病房三人組是指音夢(mèng)、燈花和環(huán)憂，阿莉娜在隔壁而且住的不久不算，到瑪吉斯三人組時(shí)才指阿莉娜、燈花、音夢(mèng)】中因?yàn)橛袘n的良善撐著，燈花和音夢(mèng)可以自然的向善，但是魔法少女的社會(huì)也因此不會(huì)有現(xiàn)代性【——圓神：“只有這個(gè)宇宙與眾不同”】，然而，就在病房三人組的計(jì)劃開展之時(shí)，象征良善的憂卻過早的殉道了，并且更可怕的是，她/它被遺忘了，這么一來瑪吉斯三人組就變成了純粹的信息繭房，互相的回音讓她們的計(jì)劃越來越瘋狂，于是她們看上去俗套的劇情發(fā)展反倒是我們的自己的歷史，從牽扯到神濱的大家【殖民主義】到最后席卷全局的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)【世界大戰(zhàn)】，其原因有一種可能就是三人組掌握了現(xiàn)代性的力量還想著然后以一種前現(xiàn)代，叢林魔法少女社會(huì)的方式進(jìn)行斗爭(zhēng)【“那些開航空母艦的，從船長(zhǎng)到炮手一律長(zhǎng)著十七十八世紀(jì)海盜們的腦袋”語出斯塔夫里阿諾斯】，這樣一來，然后悲劇也便不難預(yù)料了，最后能夠給出的，也僅有折中的反思【燈花和音夢(mèng)受到了限制，而阿莉娜，，還是把一切都忘了好】

????當(dāng)然，這樣的比附依舊有一些牽強(qiáng)之處，比如本來三種現(xiàn)代性之間的沖突才應(yīng)該是現(xiàn)代化的主題，然而主線中對(duì)于瑪吉斯內(nèi)部的動(dòng)態(tài)還是顯得比較單薄【而且世界大戰(zhàn)本來應(yīng)該是現(xiàn)代性內(nèi)部沖突的高潮，而瑪吉斯的終章戰(zhàn)斗的對(duì)象卻是外部的】，另外，如果就這樣把握現(xiàn)代性，容易反倒會(huì)把現(xiàn)代性本身簡(jiǎn)化，最后還有，這么做結(jié)論，和魔紀(jì)游戲的第二部連不起來

????不過小圓系列的解讀本來就是很多元的【類比《失樂園》的，《浮士德》的，從經(jīng)典基督教神學(xué)，到異端煉金術(shù)和諾斯替學(xué)說的，還有將從“業(yè)力”和“輪回”中引出佛教三千世界概念的】本作一家之言，意本拋磚引玉。