So I originally had little to no intention of making a thread like this, instead wishing to stay silent and watch as the storm inevitably blows over. However, a few recent events have convinced me to act.

Just so you all have some insight, I’ve played MMOs and gacha games for basically all my life since I could get on the internet (over 10 years now), and have experienced things from Nexon’s horrible monetization models from Maplestory to Vindictus, to the casino rate odds of Black Desert lategame, to being actually respected as a consumer in Azur Lane. Guess which one I’ve spent the most money on?

While I love this game, and fully wish to be able to support MiHoYo for their wonderful work, the fact of the matter is that the gacha rates in this game are beyond predatory, and this monetization model they’re currently running beyond exploitive, and as a result, I find myself unable to even give a cent of my hard earned money to support these dubious business practices.

Yes, you can enjoy the game without premium characters. Yes, the exploration can be completed with everything they give you for free. You can sink tens of hours into this game without paying a dime. But you can’t have the full player experience, to sate your curiousity with new characters or just have fun with the characters whose design you love, without either shilling out untold and unreasonable amounts of money, waiting almost a year for a ‘pity pull,’ or spending countless hours rerolling until you get a starting roll that you enjoy, which isn’t playing the game.

When a new 5 star character comes out, are players going to make new accounts and reroll to try to get them too, abandoning all their previous progress? At this point they’ll be more obligated to participate in this predatory gacha system, by which point so you know, the pull rate get the specific character you desire off banner right now is about 0.06% (estimated), while banner has about a 0.3% chance without pity. If you want an RPG horror story, just try to calculate how many rolls on average it will take to get a specific 5 star character that you want, and then convert the cost into whatever currency you use. Then realize you need 7 copies of said 5 star character to truly experience them at their full potential. Thinking about these costs unironically makes me shiver.

But in this capitalist society with which we find ourselves, money speaks louder than words. This is why I come to you all with a proposition; I ask the community to please stop spending on this game until we, as consumers, are better treated and given the respect we deserve. Until the rates and the built in gacha system are improved upon, and we are seen as real people and not just a convenient source of income from which MiHoYo can trick into this terrible economic loop, I ask of you as a community to stop buying the ingame micro transactions and the various season passes, so that MiHoYo can get the message. Yes, whales will be whales and continue to spend huge, but even whales will run out of steam (and money), and a system that’s supported by a few whales is unsustainable in the long run. That’s not to say stop playing, but just stop spending. After all, this game can be enjoyed fully as F2P. Don’t be pressured to spend by big shot streamers and YouTube upstarts pouring thousands into this game.

In a separate post below, I will include useful links with information regarding gacha comparisons rates and in depth calculations. I ask that everyone also approach this thread respectfully, and keep the discussion that is to follow respectful as well.

Thank you for your time in reading my post, and I hope that it has been a constructive endeavour.

來自 @trisolaris_xeonacid 的翻譯

其實我一開始的時候并不想寫這么一個帖子，而是只是吃瓜等著風(fēng)暴過去。但是，最近的幾件事讓我不得不說點什么了。

就像你們所看到的那樣，自從我能上網(wǎng)以來，我一直都在玩 MMO 和氪金抽卡游戲(超過10年了)，從納克森(Nexon)在冒險島(MapleStory)，洛奇英雄傳(Vindictus)中可怕的搶錢模式，到黑色沙漠(Black Desert)中……(譯者注：沒說)的賭場概率，到在碧藍航線(Azur Lane)中真正作為一個消費者被尊重，猜猜看，我在哪個游戲中投入的錢最多？

盡管我很喜歡這個游戲，并且很希望氪金能支持米哈游杰出的貢獻，但是這游戲的抽卡概率簡直離譜，他們現(xiàn)在的運營模式簡直就是在剝削玩家，因此，我覺得我一分自己辛苦掙來的血汗錢都不會給他們這樣不可靠的運營。

是，你可以在不用高星角色的情況下享受游戲；是，你可以在一分錢不花的情況下完成全部探索；在一分錢不花的情況下，你可以在里面享受幾十個小時。但是，如果你不氪穿池子，或者攢一年的原石來硬吃保底，或者肝幾十個小時的刷初始，你就沒法獲得完整的游戲體驗，譬如滿足你對新角色的好奇心，和抽老婆。

當(dāng)出了一個新五星的時候，玩家顯然不可能放棄原來的進度去刷初始轉(zhuǎn)生；這個時候就到了毒池發(fā)威的時候了?，F(xiàn)在，單抽從池子里抽出你想要的角色的概率是約 0.06%，并且每個池子都有 0.3% 的概率不吃保底(譯者注：原文為 while banner has about a 0.3% chance without pity ，這里沒看懂)。如果你想聽一個恐怖故事，就算一算你抽出一個你想要的五星得花你多少錢，再考慮一下你要抽 7 個才能達到滿命。想想這些我就感到戰(zhàn)栗，認真的。

但在我們所處的這個資本主義社會里，金錢勝于雄辯。這就是為什么我要向大家提出一個建議；我請求社會各界停止在這個游戲上的花費，直到我們作為消費者，得到更好的待遇，得到應(yīng)有的尊重。在利率和內(nèi)置的gacha系統(tǒng)得到改進之前，我們被視為真正的人，而不僅僅是一個方便的收入來源，密友可以從中欺騙進入這個可怕的經(jīng)濟循環(huán)，我請求你們作為一個社區(qū)停止購買ingame微交易和各種季節(jié)通行證，這樣MiHoYo才能得到信息。是的，氪佬扔是氪佬，并將繼續(xù)花費巨資，但即使是氪佬也會耗盡精力(和金錢)，從長遠來看，一個由少數(shù)氪佬支撐的系統(tǒng)是不可持續(xù)的。這并不是說停止玩，而是停止消費。畢竟，這個游戲可以作為F2P來充分享受，不要因為大人物流媒體和YouTube新貴的投入而感到壓力。

在下面的另一篇文章中，我將提供有用的鏈接，其中包括關(guān)于gacha比較率和深度計算的信息。我要求每個人也尊重這條線索，并保持討論的后續(xù)尊重。

下面的一些回復(fù)

Yup, personally i think its fine to lock characters behind a paywall as long as the f2p options can clear content. As soon as that’s no longer viable, I’m out of here.

The problem with this game is that there is literally 0 replayability. Books and Mora are hard locked behind money and at endgame there is 10 minutes of daily gameplay. If both progression and characters are locked, well - that just feels really shitty.

Before we say “this is normal for gacha games” granblue fantasy and fire emblem heroes were never stingy with stamina.

是的，我個人認為只要將f2p選項清除內(nèi)容，就可以將字符鎖定在付費專區(qū)后面。一旦那不再可行，我就離開這里。

該游戲的問題在于，字面上的可重玩性為0。書籍和莫拉(Mora)被硬鎖在金錢后面，在殘局時，每天有10分鐘的游戲時間。如果進度和角色都被鎖定，那么-感覺真的很糟糕。

在我們說“這對gacha游戲來說是正常的”之前，格蘭蘭奇幻想和火焰徽記英雄從來沒有never耐力。

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I'm a gacha dolphin for 6 years. I'm used to being fucked over the ass after I spend money. But there eventually comes a point where the amount of money you need to spend becomes so absurd that it's not reasonable to spend. I was going to throw a few bucks to try and hit pity for ventis banner. I looked at the shop and I need to spend fucking 150 SGD just to get 80 rolls (FOR MY FIRST PURCHASED. Subsequent purchases only get me 40 rolls). Normally this isn't too absurd as you only need that few rolls to get who you want. But you need fucking 180 rolls to get the 5 star you want (90 if you're LUCKY). And don't give me that bullshit saying you can get the 5* before pity, 0.3% is about as bad as 0%. Don't kid yourself. You really need to fathom how low of a chance 0.3% is. If the 1.1 leaks miraculously become true, which I'm 90% sure is bullshit, I will actually throw my money every patch, because I know I can at least get something fucking worthwhile for my money. I swear the only reason people could possibly defend these rates are either they are mihoyo staff in disguise, or they are giant masochists

我是加沙海豚6年了。我花錢后常常會感受難受。但是最終會出現(xiàn)一個點，您需要花費的錢變得如此荒謬，以至于花費不合理。我打算花幾塊錢去嘗試可憐的文氏標語。我看著商店，花了150新元才買了80卷(我第一次購買。隨后的購買只讓我40卷)。通常，這并不太荒謬，因為您只需要幾卷即可找到想要的人。但是您需要他媽的180卷才能獲得想要的5星(如果您很幸運，則得到90星)。而且不要胡說我可以在憐憫之前得到5 *，0.3%大約等于0%。不要開玩笑您確實需要了解0.3%的機會有多低。如果1.1泄漏奇跡般地變成了事實，我確定90%的確是胡說八道，我實際上會在每個補丁上投入我的錢，因為我知道我至少可以得到一些值得我花錢的東西。我發(fā)誓人們可能會捍衛(wèi)這些利率的唯一原因是他們是變相的mihoyo員工，或是他們是巨大的受虐狂?

翻譯好像有點問題，這是別人發(fā)的

翻譯為意譯，具體請以原帖為準。

其實我一開始的時候并不想寫這么一個帖子，而是只是吃瓜等著風(fēng)暴過去。但是，最近的幾件事讓我不得不說點什么了。

就像你們所看到的那樣，自從我能上網(wǎng)以來，我一直都在玩 MMO 和氪金抽卡游戲(超過10年了)，從納克森(Nexon)在冒險島(MapleStory)，洛奇英雄傳(Vindictus)中可怕的搶錢模式，到黑色沙漠(Black Desert)中……(譯者注：沒說)的賭場概率，到在碧藍航線(Azur Lane)中真正作為一個消費者被尊重，猜猜看，我在哪個游戲中投入的錢最多？

盡管我很喜歡這個游戲，并且很希望能支持米哈游杰出的貢獻，但是這游戲的抽卡概率簡直離譜，他們現(xiàn)在的運營模式簡直就是在剝削玩家，因此，我覺得我一分自己辛苦掙來的血汗錢都不會給他們這樣不可靠的運營。

是，你可以在不用高星角色的情況下享受游戲；是，你可以在一分錢不花的情況下完成全部探索；在一分錢不花的情況下，你可以享受游戲幾十個小時。但是，如果你不氪穿池子，或者攢一年的原石來硬吃保底，或者肝幾十個小時地刷初始，你就沒法獲得完整的游戲體驗，譬如滿足你對新角色的好奇心，和抽老婆。

當(dāng)出了一個新五星的時候，玩家顯然不可能放棄原來的進度去刷初始轉(zhuǎn)生；這個時候就到了毒池發(fā)威的時候了?，F(xiàn)在，單抽常駐池抽出你想要的角色的概率是約 0.06%，而 up 池也僅有 0.3% 的概率(不考慮保底)。如果你想聽一個恐怖故事，就算一算你抽出一個你想要的五星得花你多少錢，再考慮一下你要抽 7 個才能達到滿命。想想這些我就感到戰(zhàn)栗，認真的。

但是在當(dāng)下這個資本主義世界，錢比任何炎上都有效。所以，我在此呼吁：請所有人停止氪金，直到我們被像消費者一樣尊重。除非抽卡系統(tǒng)被顯著優(yōu)化，而且我們被看成真正的玩家而不是氪金母豬，請整個社區(qū)不再氪一分錢，包括大小月卡，這樣米哈游才可能聽到我們的聲音。是的，氪佬會繼續(xù)氪，但是他們早晚會被掏空，而一個只有少數(shù)氪佬支持的游戲是一定活不長的。這并不意味著我呼吁大家棄坑；而只是請不要氪金。畢竟，這個游戲即使是免費玩家也能享受到絕大多數(shù)內(nèi)容。不要因主播和視頻的影響而腦子一熱往里面大把大把砸錢。

在我將發(fā)的另外一個帖子里，我將給出一些對于各種抽卡游戲的對比和計算的鏈接。我希望所有人都能認真對待這個帖子，理性討論，尊重他人。

感謝您的閱讀，并且我希望這個帖子是一個有建設(shè)性的嘗試。