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Do you like people without ambition? Why or why not?

你喜歡沒(méi)有雄心壯志的人嗎？如果喜歡原因是什么？如果不喜歡原因又是什么？

評(píng)論翻譯

Jane Chin (陳盈錦), Working remote since 1999

Ambition is evolving the same way. Now, we judge people on a set of criteria that arbitrarily determines whether their life should be valuable or worthwhile. Most of the time I am not reminded of whether I am "ambitious" unless I think of myself comparing with "my peers". Ambition is making choices aligned with social expectations of Leaning In and Winning Friends and Influencing People. Ambition is what you can monetize.
I have learned to remove "ambition" as a criteria for liking someone, because it tells me less about that person's values than what truly is motivating and inspiring a person. I can't say that I no longer judge a person whom I view as lacking ambition, but I know this says more about my shortcoming than the other person.

“雄心壯志”也有同樣的發(fā)展軌跡。現(xiàn)在，我們用一套標(biāo)準(zhǔn)來(lái)評(píng)判一個(gè)人，這些標(biāo)準(zhǔn)武斷地決定他們的生命是不是有價(jià)值的。在大多數(shù)情況下，除非我能偶爾想起自己要和同齡人作比較的時(shí)候，我才會(huì)去思考自己是不是具有“雄心壯志”。這里的“雄心壯志”是指做出與社會(huì)期望相一致的選擇，即依靠他人、贏得朋友和影響他人。“雄心壯志”是可以貨幣化的。
我學(xué)會(huì)了不把“雄心壯志”作為是不是喜歡一個(gè)人的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，因?yàn)樗嬖V我的不是那個(gè)人的價(jià)值觀，而是真正激勵(lì)和鼓舞一個(gè)人的東西。我不敢保證我不會(huì)再妄議任何一個(gè)我認(rèn)為缺乏雄心壯志的人，但我知道這一點(diǎn)是我的缺點(diǎn)。

Animesh Jha, Not all who wander are lost..
I can answer each "Yes" and the "No" with explanations:
The "Yes" : I like people with ambitions.
Why? : Because I had one too. I know the sacrifices one has to take to get to what he/she wants to achieve, this may be losing friends over time, being alone, depressed, distant from family etc. felt them all and well they have to be endured if you don't really have luck on your side.
People who have a dream at-least show some interest in their life towards something they believe in, but do not mistaken ambition with success or failure, ambition can be a life long thing, you aspire to achieve it or to at-least get close enough to it. If you don't, its not over, people who are successful didn't necessarily have an ambition in mind they just like working or had some goal. Passion is a definite plus to an overall quality in a person.

不管是哪個(gè)答案我都有理由。
答案如果是“是的”：我喜歡有抱負(fù)的人。
為什么？因?yàn)槲乙灿斜ж?fù)，我知道一個(gè)人為了實(shí)現(xiàn)他想要的目標(biāo)必須做出的犧牲，這種犧牲可能是隨著時(shí)間的推移而失去朋友、孤獨(dú)、沮、遠(yuǎn)離家人等等。你要經(jīng)歷以上這些，如果你沒(méi)有運(yùn)氣的話(huà)，你就必須忍受這一切。
至少有夢(mèng)想的人會(huì)因?yàn)橛心繕?biāo)有方向而在生活中更加積極向上，但不要把有抱負(fù)和成功或失敗相提并論，抱負(fù)可能是伴隨你一輩子的，你渴望實(shí)現(xiàn)它，或者至少要接近目標(biāo)。如果不是這樣的，那么成功的人不一定是有抱負(fù)的，他們只是喜歡工作或者有目標(biāo)。激情對(duì)一個(gè)人的整體素質(zhì)而已無(wú)疑是一個(gè)加分項(xiàng)。

The "No" : Don't judge people based on whether or not they have an ambition.
Why?: People who have dreams can or have faced criticism, in my case my own parents, but it didn't mean my dreams weren't valid, it just didn't seem practical to them. Same can happen to many people, the negativity or criticism can make people afraid of actually fighting for an ambition. Which is where willpower is required, its the ability to endure everything against and still go ahead. Some have it, others don't and still their are a 3rd type who build it gradually in due time.

如果答案是“不”：不要根據(jù)人們是否有抱負(fù)來(lái)評(píng)判他們。
為什么？有夢(mèng)想的人可能或曾經(jīng)被批評(píng)過(guò)，就我個(gè)人而言，我是我自己的父母最在意的，但這并不意味著我的夢(mèng)想是無(wú)效的，只是對(duì)他們來(lái)說(shuō)似乎不現(xiàn)實(shí)。同樣的事情也會(huì)發(fā)生在很多人身上，消極的態(tài)度或者批評(píng)會(huì)澆滅人們?yōu)榱怂麄冏约旱谋ж?fù)而奮斗的熱情。而想保持熱情，這就需要意志力了，它是一種沖破一切阻力并繼續(xù)前進(jìn)的能力。有些人有，有些人沒(méi)有，或者是第三種，他們?cè)谶m當(dāng)?shù)臅r(shí)候逐步加強(qiáng)自己的意志力。

Although the people without ambition are more calm and less tense about life, they enjoy the little things and more frequently than the ambitious kind who have the ability to sacrifice the same for the greater future.
Hence when I see a person with an ambition its more of like a +ve addition to his/her quality, but this is much after knowing the person and is not the basis of me carrying forward the relationship, even something as basic as friendship. On the flip-side, "Wanna-be" ambitious people are a turn-off for me, they are the kind who like the idea of having an ambition but do absolutely nothing and make excuses and tell people that their dreams matter. There are also people who are talented but not ambitious cause they are down right lazy.

雖然沒(méi)有雄心壯志的人對(duì)待生活的態(tài)度更加鎮(zhèn)定，對(duì)生活不那么緊張，但他們比那些“雄心壯志勃勃”的人更加享受生活中的小事情，比那些有能力為更美好的未來(lái)做出犧牲的人更懂享受生活。
因此，當(dāng)我看到一個(gè)有抱負(fù)的人時(shí)，更像是一個(gè)加分項(xiàng)，但這是在認(rèn)識(shí)了這個(gè)人之后的加分項(xiàng)，并不是我發(fā)展關(guān)系的基礎(chǔ)，也不是我建立友誼的基礎(chǔ)。另一方面，“想成為”雄心勃勃的人讓我感到厭煩，他們想要成為雄心壯志勃勃的人，但卻什么也不做，找借口告訴人們他們的夢(mèng)想很重要。也有一些人是有才華但沒(méi)有雄心壯志的，因?yàn)樗麄兪菑仡^徹尾的懶鬼。

I had found it quite easy to make friends and can get along people much easily compared to many people I know, the reason being, I don't care about a person's past or what he is, rich/poor or even weird. All I require is that that person has a good heart and treat's others with respect and is humble, those are much far fetched qualities which define someone no matter how rich , poor or ambitious he/she is. (I don't like fake people though, so don't bother in continuing a relationship, once its obvious)
People who have no ambition, maybe have not found their passion yet, maybe they need to experience a little more of the world, maybe they are a little young.. many factors determine someone's ambition. A poor man who has to feed a family of 4 will not have an ambition because his aim for the day is to survive with his family, hence how can someone judge his condition without knowing what he goes through everyday to survive.

根據(jù)我過(guò)往的經(jīng)歷，我發(fā)現(xiàn)交朋友很容易，并且也可以輕松的和人相處，原因是，我不在乎一個(gè)人的過(guò)去，也不在乎他是什么樣的人，他是不是富有、貧窮甚至是怪異的人。我只要求那個(gè)人有一顆善良的心，尊重別人，謙遜，這些都是難以捉摸的品質(zhì)，無(wú)論一個(gè)人多么富有，多么貧窮，多么雄心勃勃。（不過(guò)，我不喜歡假惺惺的人，所以一旦我感覺(jué)到不對(duì)，就不用費(fèi)心去經(jīng)營(yíng)一段感情了）
沒(méi)有雄心壯志的人，也許還沒(méi)有找到自己的激情，也許他們需要更多地體驗(yàn)這個(gè)世界，也許他們有點(diǎn)年輕。有許多因素決定一個(gè)人是不是有雄心壯志。一個(gè)要養(yǎng)活一個(gè)四口之家的窮人是不會(huì)有雄心壯志的，因?yàn)樗裉斓哪繕?biāo)是和家人一起活下去，因此，如果一個(gè)人不知道其他人的生活經(jīng)歷的情況下，怎么能輕易地做出判斷呢？

Marie Crimi, Post Grad Law, Politics, Social Issues & Social Sciences, Murdoch University (2004)
Look I did something really amazing a few years back. See at 20 I suffered an illness, previously I had been very popular, and working at a job that was prestigious, and the envy of my friends who did simple jobs or had no work. I got sick and all of my friends distanced themselves from me. So slowly but surely I set out to slowly and in silence recover my health, it took me nearly three long years. Once I had recovered, I thought stupid people, I will teach you a lesson. So I got into education, in a big way. I ended up In A Law Degree, then I proceeded to study post graduate, I did succeed. When I had new and better prestige, employment once again, and these people were under the impression, I was earning big money, they went out of their way, to make friends and be part of my life, once again. Some still turn away from me, because I have surpassed them greatly, and they are lumbered with family issues and unhappy marriages, and debts… Of course I have other new friends in my life, and I have rejected them forever, I do not want them in my life, full stop… My life has never been about ambition, I never had to prove I was highly intelligent and successful. I was just lucky all my life to have achieved in moderation and had ended up in a good job. Like you said it is for public appearance and status, to be and to be liked and to be a show, in our society. What I have accomplished is Beyond Words, because I Shut Them All Up Forever… To me Life has always been about having Fun, not serious at All, because I always knew that anyone can achieve, if they set their mind to the task of achieving. Therefore according to me, no one is dumb. or unambitious, because in our own ways, we choose the life, we choose to be and live…

幾年前我做了一件非常了不起的事。20歲的時(shí)候我生病了，以前我很受歡迎，我的工作也非常體面，我的那些做簡(jiǎn)單的工作或沒(méi)有工作的朋友都很羨慕我。后來(lái)我生病了，我所有的朋友都和我保持距離。所以我慢慢地，默默地進(jìn)行復(fù)健，這花了我將近三年的時(shí)間。我康復(fù)了后繼續(xù)完成我的學(xué)業(yè)，我最終獲得了法學(xué)學(xué)位，然后我繼續(xù)攻讀研究生，我確實(shí)成功了。當(dāng)我有了新的、更好的聲望，并又一次有了工作，這些人的行為也讓我記憶猶新，我賺了大錢(qián)，他們絞盡腦汁想要和我交朋友，再次成為我生活的一部分。有些人仍然遠(yuǎn)離我，因?yàn)槲乙呀?jīng)遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過(guò)了他們，他們被家庭問(wèn)題、不幸的婚姻和債務(wù)所困擾。當(dāng)然，我的生活中還有其他新朋友，我已經(jīng)永遠(yuǎn)拒絕了一些人，我不想讓他們出現(xiàn)在我的生活中，我自己從來(lái)沒(méi)有“雄心壯志”，我從不需要證明我自己是非常聰明和成功的。我只是幸運(yùn)地在取得了一定的成就，并最終找到了一份好工作。就像你說(shuō)的，這是為了在公眾心中的形象和地位，為了被人喜歡，為了在我們的社會(huì)中成為一場(chǎng)秀。我所取得的成就是無(wú)法用語(yǔ)言表達(dá)的，因?yàn)槲覜](méi)有顯露出來(lái)，對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)，生活總是充滿(mǎn)樂(lè)趣的，一點(diǎn)也不嚴(yán)肅，因?yàn)槲沂冀K知道，任何人都可以實(shí)現(xiàn)他們下定決心想要實(shí)現(xiàn)的目標(biāo)。所以在我看來(lái)，沒(méi)有人是愚蠢的或者沒(méi)有進(jìn)取心的，因?yàn)槲覀円宰约旱姆绞竭x擇生活。

Aravind Govindarajan
Everyone has his/her own set of ambitions. What may seem ambitious to me might not look the same from your perspective. So in your view, people without ambition are essentially people with certain ambitions which you don't consider being worthy of the word 'ambition'.
That being said, being ambitious or not does not directly translate to likeablitiy for me. Instead, what attracts me is passion. I really like people who are passionate about what they do. They need not have goals, targets, career paths,etc. as long as they are passionate and content.
The way I see it, being very ambitious kills the contentment factor. Of course I admire people who are smart with their targets, and set realistic goals and achieve them. But I equally like people who don't really have a set of targets, but go through life - passionate, happy and content, the way it is supposed to be lived.
In your deathbed, you'll not remember the feats you had achieved in your life, but how happy you were when you achieved them. If happiness is what matters at the end of the day, should we really mind where it came from?

每個(gè)人都有自己的雄心壯志。在我看來(lái)似乎是很有雄心壯志的事情，但從你的角度來(lái)看可能不一樣。在那些你看來(lái)沒(méi)有雄心壯志的人本質(zhì)上是有某些雄心壯志的人，但你可能認(rèn)為這些人不配用“雄心壯志”這個(gè)詞。
話(huà)雖如此。不過(guò)吸引我的是激情。我真的喜歡那些對(duì)自己的工作充滿(mǎn)激情的人。他們不需要有目標(biāo)，指標(biāo)，職業(yè)發(fā)展規(guī)劃等，他們本身就充滿(mǎn)激情和滿(mǎn)足感的。
在我看來(lái)，雄心勃勃會(huì)扼殺滿(mǎn)足感。當(dāng)然，我敬佩那些非常聰明可以設(shè)定適當(dāng)目標(biāo)的人，他們?cè)O(shè)定了現(xiàn)實(shí)的目標(biāo)并實(shí)現(xiàn)了目標(biāo)。但我同樣喜歡那些沒(méi)有明確目標(biāo)的人，他們的生活充滿(mǎn)激情、快樂(lè)和滿(mǎn)足，這就是生活該有的樣子。
臨終之際，你不會(huì)記得你一生中所取得的成就，而是當(dāng)你取得這些成就時(shí)你是多么的幸福的狀態(tài)。如果幸福是最重要的，我們真的應(yīng)該在意它是從哪里來(lái)的嗎？

Cencio Farre, Enginerd, cook, baker, father, dancer, et cetera.
Whether I like someone or not has nothing at all to do with whether they are ambitious. That being said...
In the conventional sense, ambitious means have and working towards conventional success. Wealth, power, status. To be honest, people into success for its own sake are not very interesting to me.
Then there are people that have a passion for some pursuit. If it is a pursuit I have some interest in, those people might be interesting to me.
The people I like, we tend to have common interests, and they are people that treat others well. They may be funny, or generous, or good listeners. They have skills in interacting with people.
Now, if I'm going to relate traits I am impatient with, that may or may not connect to your definition of ambition...
Someone who does not take responsibility for their own life, I will not look on as a peer. This doesn't mean I won't lend a hand to someone who is having a tough time, but I don't have much patience for indulgence in self-pity. Basic personal and financial hygiene, consideration for others, responsibility for self, these are kind of basic to me.

我是否喜歡一個(gè)人與他們是否雄心勃勃無(wú)關(guān)。
在傳統(tǒng)意義上，雄心勃勃的就是意味著朝著常規(guī)的成功去努力：財(cái)富、權(quán)力、地位。老實(shí)說(shuō)，我對(duì)那些為了成功而走向成功的人不太感興趣。
還有一些人熱衷于某種追求。如果這是一個(gè)我感興趣的追求，那可能我會(huì)對(duì)那些人感興趣。
我喜歡的人，往往有共同的優(yōu)點(diǎn)：他們是善待他人的人；他們可能是有趣的或慷慨的；或者是一個(gè)好的傾聽(tīng)者；他們擅長(zhǎng)人際交往等。
現(xiàn)在，如果我要說(shuō)的是我不耐煩的特質(zhì)，那與你對(duì)雄心壯志的定義可能沒(méi)有關(guān)系。
一個(gè)對(duì)自己的生活不負(fù)責(zé)任的人，我不會(huì)把他當(dāng)同齡人看待。這并不意味著我不會(huì)幫助那些日子不好過(guò)的人，但我沒(méi)有太多的耐心去縱容他們顧影自憐。關(guān)注個(gè)人基本的財(cái)務(wù)和衛(wèi)生，為他人著想，對(duì)自己負(fù)責(zé)，這些對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)都是基本的要求。

Kris Herndon
I do like people without ambition. I used to be one. I have a fairly happy "emotional set point" and as long as I have a nice boyfriend, some friends, some spending money and a nice place to live, I am usually fairly content. When there is bad weather, I enjoy complaining about it. I'm into things like taking long walks and reading.
When my daughter was born I became ambitious for the first time, because I understood for the first time that she would look to me for an example of how a person should live and what makes a fulfilling life. I also realized that I am responsible for her and while I share that responsibility with her father, if something should happen to him, it's all me. And it would be nice to feel that I can leave her something substantial, and give her a comfortable start in life.

我確實(shí)喜歡沒(méi)有雄心壯志的人。我以前也是一個(gè)沒(méi)有雄心壯志的人。我有一個(gè)幸福的評(píng)判標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，只要我有一個(gè)好男朋友、一些朋友、一些錢(qián)花和一個(gè)宜居的地方，我通常是相當(dāng)滿(mǎn)足的。天氣不好時(shí)，我喜歡抱怨、我喜歡散步和看書(shū)。
當(dāng)我女兒出生的時(shí)候，我第一次變得野心勃勃，因?yàn)槲乙庾R(shí)到，我應(yīng)該成為她的榜樣，告訴她一個(gè)人應(yīng)該怎樣生活，怎樣才能使生活充實(shí)。我也意識(shí)到我要對(duì)她負(fù)責(zé)，雖然我和她父親分擔(dān)責(zé)任，但如果他發(fā)生了什么事情，那就只剩下我一個(gè)人。如果我能給她留下一些實(shí)質(zhì)性的東西，給她一個(gè)舒適的生活起點(diǎn)，那就太好了。

Chasing Whispers
It depends what you mean by ambition. I personally (maybe sadly) equate “ambitious" with ruthless, selfish, and obsessed with financial gain. That's just what I've somehow been exposed to when it comes to that descxtion.
Now, I am personally hardworking, a high achiever, driven and highly motivated and successful. But I would never call myself ambitious and luckily no one does. But I also never call anyone I respect or love ambitious either. To me it doesn’t mean any of the things I just described myself as. For me it's too tied to a corporate, conservative, capitalist, nasty mindset.
So, sorry, not sorry. I still work hard. I'm not Ambitious. I like to lie in, have cake, play Skyrim, love Frankie Boyle, have sex, drink, get takeaways, don't have any social media, and take recreational drugs. I hate hierarchy, will not kiss arse, climb ladders, or pretend to be something I'm not. ambition. I think you're a fraud.

這取決于你是怎么定義野心的。也許有點(diǎn)遺憾，我個(gè)人把“野心勃勃”等同于無(wú)情、自私和對(duì)經(jīng)濟(jì)利益的癡迷。我之所以這么描述，是因?yàn)槲矣龅降娜硕际沁@樣的。
現(xiàn)在，我自己非常努力工作，也取得了不錯(cuò)的成就，有進(jìn)取心，工作充滿(mǎn)激情，并且很成功。但我從來(lái)不會(huì)說(shuō)自己有野心，幸運(yùn)的是也沒(méi)有人說(shuō)我有野心。但我也從不說(shuō)我尊敬或愛(ài)的人有野心。對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)，我對(duì)自己的描述并不意味著什么。在我看來(lái)，野心與公司、保守、資本家、下流的心態(tài)聯(lián)系在一起。
所以很遺憾，其實(shí)也不應(yīng)該感到遺憾。我一直努力工作，但我沒(méi)有野心。我喜歡躺在床上，吃蛋糕，玩天際，喜歡弗蘭基·博伊爾，做愛(ài)，喝酒，吃外賣(mài)，不用任何社交媒體，還服用休閑毒品。我討厭等級(jí)制度，不會(huì)去熱臉貼冷屁股，不會(huì)努力向上爬，也不會(huì)假裝自己不是這樣的人。野心，就是一個(gè)幌子。