I have sth to share with fellow Woo owners, I was actually aware of that discussion in China of 300B on preamp stage of 3SE way before the discussion taken place here https://www.head-case.org/forums/topic/26125-the-problem-with-the-woo-audio-3es/?Even if 3SE doesn’t have 300B at output stage in amplification part, doesn’t necessarily mean it is scam, it is at most a hybrid design.? Ask any people who actually heard it, it is clearly better than the entry level Stax energizers and pair best with 009s/ Shang SR better than other alternatives. There are always two sides of the story, and even the “top two experts” in the industry might not know all the nuances and details in their design. I use Woo Luna as pre which is better than many pre I tired many times more expensive. As long as the pre amp is good enough, I don’t mind it is hybrid. I enjoy hybrid design just like Riviera, even it is detested by the clan leader who never heard it with a right pre. It is interesting even the most hot headed followers within that clan all tend to choose the hybrid path, using a tube pre with their worshipped, the “best solid state amp” CFA3, so what is wrong with going hybrid? For the full disclosure I’m not affiliated to Woo audio and am actually mad at Jack for some minor quality issue with my Luna. It is also true that they could be more transparent with less ambiguous language. With that being said, I think it is better to use sound to make the judgement. As an side, all people who heard my reference system containing Luna& Riviera prefer it to T2, in a well built electrostatic system, definitely better than the T2 systems of the clan members dare I say. I don’t worship nor rely on experts or clan, I use my ears to make judgement! Plus it is never fair nor healthy to only hear one voice nor only allow one opinion/ clan to dominate the audiophile community.