S：First，I have?to introduce myself?I am Sin Setsochhata the ?granddaughter of sinn sisamouth

M：It's so nice to meet you, and I wanna thank you again?you sang for us in January to launch our 70 th?anniversary, ?

S；It’s really my honor。

M: You get a marvelous job，?you symbolize the friendship between our two peoples by singing in English?Adam.

S: Because, like, actually, back to my grandfather's generation, ?like during the 60s and 70s, I believe he was influenced by a lot of American music, ?like, hey Jude, which I took a chance to perform at the Seventies anniversary, you know what Like, I look back at the music at my grandfather generation, and I feel like, whoa, this is amazing.

S:You know, Cambodian music industry nowadays developed to go back to that kind of way You know, the people stay connected to each other, sharing the exchange of experiences.

M:That makes a lot of sense.You know, that that period of music, I like, in general, from the United States and United Kingdom, 1960s and 70s was kind of the peak for me of great rock and roll.Especially when I listen to the the Cambodia music of that era, I see the influences, but I also see great interpretation with my characteristics, and that?is?why I am?a big fan of it as well.

S:Thank you so much. And as I heard from people from that generation, they said that most of the songs that influences from outside of Cambodia, we have brought along with the movie.

And that is why, like, we have the combine version of all of those songs, which, you know, I'm impressed

Actually ,back then, if you want to get people to see the movie in the theater, you have to have it?didn't combine?especially the song, like every movie in the theater did not come or without no song.

So it?is?just like, that's the way how to reach out to people out there to go and see the movie.And that's really amazing！

M:You know, I can imagine.

M:I walked around the city this past?of weekend.On the weekends, I like to take discovery walks.And I went through the neighborhood down by the river front, and some of the Cambodians who were with me were pointing out many old cinemas, yes, and downtown, central part of the old part of the city was full of movie theaters.So I can imagine going to the movies must have been very, very popular, S:Of course.Like people in that generation, like, you know, even the old people, the younger one, ?they really enjoy movie and music.I remember, like one thing I heard from my grandmother.She said that during the 60 and70s, like people getting up in the morning, you know, like going to work, or maybe go to study, they heard, you know, like people playing my grandfather song ,along the way with a big, kind of a speaker, something like that along the way.And that is why, like back then, music and movie reach out to people a lot.

M ：Well, I can see that that people would be emotionally connected to it, because your grandfather had a great voice, both rock and roll ?and many of his ballads(民歌）

M ：And I'm only a beginner in learning a bit to my language, but I understand he's saying quite a bit ?about the country life, about villages, ?about Cambodia and the Khmer?people, in ways that still resonate with （與...產(chǎn)生共鳴）people, young and old these days.

So his music still remains popular.It's a kind of timeless. Well, since you're a singer, maybe you also do some song writing, and you can appreciate how difficult it is.

S:Yes, you know what like to me , based on my own experience,I do music based on my emotion and feeling and sometimes I go back to listen to some of these music volume to get more influential he kind to know interpret this language,Because, like most of this music, you kind of use the metaphor( 暗喻）to compare people’s life to nature, most of the time.That's what I also heard from ?my grandmother.She said that one day they were at Siem Reap（暹粒） to visit the temples, And you know what?My my grandmother, she wanna go visit the sense that the temple.And then my grandfather said that, okay, honey, you can go along with the kids.Let me just like, wait outside.And 2 hours later, he got one song done.

That's really amazing. Like, you know, I'm amazed, hearing this kind of story from my grandmother.oh, this is how, like, his music is timeless.

M:Where can you find his music these days?Where do you hear it?

Most often? Because I know I hear it on some radio stations.

I see his image in many restaurants and boutique art shops and things like that.It's kind of an iconic image.Where can you find it? Most of his music these days,

S:?Back to the last ten years, by example,In my father s generation, people seems not to be really interested into old music.Of course, they sing,?they perform my grandfather's music at the restaurant, somewhere else, like maybe at the wedding and so.But they don't kind of, you know, they didn't really give the most value to his music.But for my generation, In the following currently, I can see the movement,the younger generation nowadays, they kind of go back and listen to his music.Maybe because of some young artists currently, they doing the covers of his music.Maybe that's also the reason1 and another one is just like, um, maybe his music is time.

That's just like what you mention, so that the younger generation can also listen to it and feel the emotion along with his music.

M : It's really good to hear, because I would imagine in discovering his music, Cambodians can discover many other voices, because he pulled a lot of people into the music scene.

He was famous for doing duets.(二重奏)

I love the duets, the nice harmony and the melodies.(悅耳的旋律)

Yeah, he did some great duets with the Ros sereysothea

M:I also like her, high energy,she was quite young. And I think also came from rural Cambodia, from a small village, from the, actually, the poor family.

S:That's right. I heard it from ros sereysothea's sister saying that my grandfather was the one inspiration, like, the most inspirational, motivating person to ?Ros sereysothea as well.Like he kind of, you know, guide her the way to sing, even give her so much opportunity to come to Phnom Penh and to be a famous one.But it just like the relationship between both of them is just like brother and sister, like from other family.But it's really touching when I heard of that, because, yeah,Ros, actually, has been through a lot in a life.

And my grandfather was the one who always, like, you know, ?on her side, saying good things?to her, giving her advice and of course, bringing her to be the one who she supposed to be.

M:Now, if I'm not mistaken, your grandfather was initially from Stung Treng,(上丁省） Yes?

And Rose sereysothea was from Battabang（馬德望）

Now, I don't want to cause any controversy, but I've had many Cambodians tell me that Battabang?is the source of the best music in Cambodia, maybe even some of the best food.

S；Yes.

M：What do you think, as a Cambodian?

Is Battabang?a place?to find a good combination of food and?music?

S：Of course, you know what like back to last year，

Battabang, in my whole life, I went there for one project, and my?first?impression was like, whoa, this is amazing.

Battabang?is amazing，first ，people, Battabang?they're so friendly.

You can see the smile on people s face.

And of course, the food is really amazing.I love Battabang and of course, for music and artists,Battabang?it's just like a country, ?full of arts, which I heard a lot from people, and I experienced myself in Battabang

M:Well, to be fair to the entire country I've been to Battabang had a great time, appreciated the people and ?food. And soon I'll be making my first trip to Stung Treng.And I look forward to getting to that part of the country as well.We have many programs and activities there, and it's a part of the country not too many people have a chance to get to who come to visit Cambodia.

So I'm really looking forward to that.I hope I can hear some good music.And I'm there as well.

S:Of course, like people still keep listening to my grandfather's song.

And I went to Stung Treng?a few months ago, and then people didn't recognize that the granddaughter?of sinn sisamouth.And then I went to the market with my grandmother, and then they asked like, oh, who is that girl?And then my grandmother said that, oh, she's my granddaughter.And then my grandmother said that, oh, she's my granddaughter.can't you sing? And then my grandmother was like, yeah, of course.I see an artist. And you know what?I'm proud enough.

M:Did they expect you to sing on the spot in the market?

S:Of course. They really want me to do that .Can you sing a line? Of course, if you want to hear me, and then I do it for them.

M:I'm going to ask you to sing a line in a few minutes.I'm going to give you a moment to think about it.I have to share with you.Before I came to Cambodia as the ambassador, I was doing my best to do a lot of reading about the country, the country s history, and I was recommended to see a really interesting documentary about music here.Don't think I've forgotten, the Cambodia’s lost rock and roll.

And of course, your grandfather figures very prominently in that documentary.And it's a bit of a bitter, sweet movie, of course, um, because we all know that Cambodia lost many artists, including your grandfather, and went through a period of no music and not a lot of joy.But this documentary, for me, was a great discovery.Do many Cambodians know about this documentary, if they had a chance to see it?

S:Um, not most of Cambodian people have a chance to see that movie.Because, like, you know, it, it's not really like showing in public, actually.So, but I heard a lot from people that experience seeing the movie, they said that they ?really, like, you know, get really touch Because,it's not only talking about the music itself, but how people connected to music, connected to people themselves, or connected to somewhere else, some places by music. And that is why, like people might wanna see that movie and you know, like how people connected to music and maybe the film itself.

M:I thought it was a terrific?documentary. I learned a lot from it.

It really captured?the flavor of time and ?place for many they?thought was lost.But there are some great archival footage（鏡頭）.

Of course, the music，the soundtrack is amazing for that movie.

There are some great singers and groups that I've encountered since I've been here.They too, I think, have a growing energy.?Some of them are very creative with their songwriting.And let me ask you a thought about music in Cambodia today, especially because you're a singer.I've heard from many artists that one challenge is protecting their art, their intellectual property.And you know, if people are going to listen to music in most places, you pay a little bit of money.You buy the record, you buy the CD.My radio station will pay royalties（版稅）?for playing the music.That's a little bit of a challenging Cambodia, isn't it?For artists to survive by through their art?

S：Yeah, it's quite challenging. But hopefully, in my generation, you know, we are going to be the one who start the game.

M:Well, that's encouraging to hear that there can be a positive trend.

S:And that is what I always hope to get done for my family as well, especially for the IP management.（知識(shí)產(chǎn)權(quán)管理）

S: We have a really hard time getting all the IP management done property.So I just hope that from now on, the young artist nowadays, we can get this done property.

M:You're a young person, and I imagine you might not have had the chance to know your grandfather directly, but you’ve kind of inherited his legacy.

M：I'm sure many people ask you??so what's it like being the granddaughter of an icon（偶像）?How did you become interested in music?And what kind of influence did your grandfathers career in life have on what you do with music?

S:Yeah, of course. The question that, how do I feel being the granddaughter of the legendary?

S:You know what the answer that I always give to people it is, like, of course, being the g granddaughter of the legendary is already like, you know, make me proud.

S:But one thing that makes me feel more proud is like his music is timeless that?people still keep enjoying his own music.

S: ?And, you know, be recognized by many people, not only in Cambodia, but even outside of Cambodia.And that is how I learned from my grandfather music, even if I don't have any chance to study or to listen to his advice about making music.But this is how I learned by listening to his music.

M:That's really terrific. You know, I was actually born in the 1960s, yeah, and I think became conscious about music around me in the late 1960s and throughout the 1970s.But I love all genres of music over time, and I share that with my family, my wife and my children love music as well.Unlike me, however, my children are quite musically gifted.I have the gift to listen, but not to sing or to play an instrument.

M:They're quite talented though, but we all love music throughout the years, but in the 1960s and 70s, one of the the greatest icons of American music was and still is, because he still performs, Is Bob Dylan.(鮑勃?迪倫) And you know, he came on the scene as a folk singer.He had different periods of evolution, singing gospel music, (福音音樂)country music, rock music, and now he's approaching 80 years old.He's very close to 80 years old, and he still tours hundreds of days out of the year, performing around the world.

I had the chance to see him several dozen times.But what I like about him many people find his singing not as Matthew?Lewis as other singers. He has kind of a rough edge to a voice.But he's a poet, and is rapidly gifted with his writing.In fact, he now has a Nobel Prize in Literature for his writing.And he tells great stories?about society, about ourselves，There's just terrific music from those years that I really really like.

M：The nice thing is to see my children now coming around we call that classic rock from the 60s and 70s and my children are coming around.It's coming back into fashion. The Beatles, who, of course, were not American, but became very famous because of their popularity in the United States. And over time, you know, some of them spend a lot of time in the United States, but that kind of music is pretty terrific.

S:Talking about Like, to get the young generation to get back to the old music.that's one thing that I always hoped that I could have done for my family ?you know, preserving my grandfather's music, and of course, my grandfather's legacy. Nowadays, I'm trying my best to put out his legacy or his music for example,to reach out to more people, e.g., like the website, even the Youtube channel even the official page.The official page won for him. So I just want people ?to let people stay in touch with the family get to know more about his music.And of course, it's life as an artist.

M:So are you working on a specific project about Sinn sisamouth?

S:What would you think if there's a movie's area about my grandfather?

M:I think it'd be wonderful. I really enjoy biopics.（傳記） it would probably be a big undertaking to find the right actor who can portray your grandfather in the actors own way.But I think it would be a great thing to do, because when you dramatize a life, you can help sustain the legacy, introduce that life to new generations. And I think it'd be pretty terrific.

M:Plus, if I understand correctly,Cambodia could use more diversity in its movies.A lot of ghost stories are very popular here, so maybe Drama ?biopics?would be a nice contribution to the to the mix.I would go see it.

S:I talked to people, a lot of people, and then asking them,how would you feel if there is any movie theory about the legendary system? And then it would be amazing, you know what?

Because, like, they would really want to study more about the legendary singer of Cambodia.And to get it done,it's a long process. And of course, like we really need to support from Cambodian people, whether they are living in Cambodia or maybe outside, or maybe will welcome to get the support from anyone.

M：These are really important projects to preserve the past.

Yes, they really are. And I wish you all the best on those endeavors.（努力）

M ：Those are really important endeavors. Well, thank you so much for the chance to talk.And you learn more about your musical life and especially the legacy of Sinn sisamouth, whose music I have really come to appreciate and love listening.

M: One of my favorite artists here in Cambodia teaches us a lot about your country, both the history and the tragedy of Cambodia, but also the hope for the future as well.

S:Thank you so much for having a time, sitting and talking.

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