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【龍騰網(wǎng)】明末清初的歷史

2020-06-03 18:10 作者:龍騰洞觀  | 我要投稿

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he ha
Hell if they forced me to make my Hair like that too I would revolt.

要是他們強(qiáng)迫我把頭發(fā)也弄成那樣,我會(huì)反抗的。

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Jabzy
+umutcan korkmaz By the 35 thumbs up to that, I think there''s a pretty solid overlap between people who watch my videos and play paradox games. Personally I''ve had to stop because I always got carried away making Georgia (my go to nation) a world power.

(作者)+我認(rèn)為看我的視頻的人和玩p社游戲的人之間有很大的重疊。就我個(gè)人而言,游戲中我總停下來(lái),因?yàn)槲铱偸窍氚迅耵敿獊啠ㄎ业膰?guó)家)打造成一個(gè)世界強(qiáng)國(guó)。

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TheShinigamiInquisition
+Jabzy Thank you, I''ll definitely be playing this.

謝謝,這把我試試

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Giorgi Ruxadze
+Jabzy could you possibly make a video about Georgia, battle of didgori for instance

你能否做個(gè)格魯吉亞視頻,譬如迪德格里戰(zhàn)役;

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Rayray
banjiu10 ...but you have loyalists like Shi Kefa, Mu Tianbo, Li Dingguo, etc. A shitload?
defected but many died to keep their hair as well.

但是你有像史可法、沐天波、李定國(guó)等忠臣。是有一大群叛逃者,但也有很多人為了保住頭發(fā)而犧牲

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h h
banjiu10 most people don’t know their own history... But there are a lot of history?
enthusiasts in china

大多數(shù)人都不知道自己的歷史。。。但是中國(guó)有很多歷史愛(ài)好者

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Accelerated
in other words ... fall of china under manchu yoke...

換言之,中國(guó)沉淪于清

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grr r

4年前

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Actually it was the Manchus who slaughtered most of the population of Sichuan region, then blame it on to the rebels.

事實(shí)上,是滿族屠殺了四川地區(qū)的大部分人口,然后將其歸咎于叛軍。

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grr r
@KoreanSentry um... like how Koreans thinks the Gugoryeo kingdom was Korean, although that the gugoryeo was founded by the nomadic tribes of the steppe, and Koreans are the descendants of the three Han families in the southern peninsula.
the population in Sichuan wasn''t Han during the Zhou dynasty, but since the Han dynasty, Chinese has been migrating to Sichuan for over 2000 years. So yea, they are Han Chinese

回復(fù)樓上。。。就像韓國(guó)人認(rèn)為高句麗是韓國(guó)人一樣,盡管高句麗是由草原上的游牧部落建立的,韓國(guó)人是南半島三個(gè)韓族的后代。
周朝時(shí)四川的人口不是漢族,但自漢朝以來(lái),中國(guó)人移居四川已有2000多年的歷史。所以他們是漢族人

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KoreanSentry
@Ji Weida Zhou Look up Houhanshu, it says Yemaek are old Korean tribe. Ye & Maek were one of the original Korean tribe who created several dynasties in Korea not just Goguryeo but also Buyo, baekje, Ye, etc.. Old Liaodong people became Koreans and that''s why Koreans today shared common ancestry with people of Manju even these at Kyushu region. Beijing as location was another old Korean city once ruled by old Koreans aka Chaoxian. Qin and Han expelled them to Liaodong and then they successfully expanded to where Korea is now. Go & read Samguk-Yusa & Samguk-sagi.

你去后漢書(shū),上面寫(xiě)著Yemaek是朝鮮里的老部族。是朝鮮族最早的部族之一,他不僅在高句麗創(chuàng)造了多個(gè)朝代,而且還創(chuàng)造了布尤、百濟(jì)、葉等。。老遼東人成了韓國(guó)人,這就是為什么今天的韓國(guó)人和滿州人有著共同的祖先,甚至北京這地方過(guò)去是另一個(gè)古老的韓國(guó)城市,曾經(jīng)由朝鮮人統(tǒng)治。秦漢把他們驅(qū)逐到遼東,然后他們成功地?cái)U(kuò)展到了現(xiàn)在的朝鮮。去讀三國(guó)志。

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grr r
@KoreanSentry oh lord, what?? Beijing was a old Korean city? first of all, Beijing was Yan kingdom''s(Chinese) capital during the Zhou dynasty it was called Jizhou, nothing to do with Koreans, plus the Yan kingdom was canonized by the Zhou dynasty before the Gugoryeo kingdom was founded, the city was also older than Gugoryeo kingdom. Liaodong had both Chinese and Korean population during the Zhou dynasty, not to mention many Koreans were refugees who feld from China during the end of the Shang dynasty and the warring states period. For example: Qizi Chaoxian(joseon) was founded by the royal family of the Shang dynasty who fled to northern korea.

?。??北京是一個(gè)古老的韓國(guó)城市?首先,北京是燕國(guó)的(中國(guó))都城,周朝時(shí)它被稱為冀州,與朝鮮人無(wú)關(guān),加上燕國(guó)在高句麗成立前被周朝封為圣國(guó),這座城也比高句麗國(guó)還要古老。遼東在周朝時(shí)期有中國(guó)人和朝鮮人,更不用說(shuō)許多朝鮮人是商朝末期和戰(zhàn)國(guó)時(shí)期從中國(guó)來(lái)的難民。例如:箕子朝鮮是商朝皇室逃到朝鮮建立的。

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KoreanSentry
@Ji Weida Zhou Chinese team found 1500 years old Korean tomb n Beijing. It''s quite large one, believed to be belonged to very higher status person.visitbeijing.or.kr/article.php?number=10700

中國(guó)團(tuán)隊(duì)在北京發(fā)現(xiàn)了1500年前的朝鮮古墓。相當(dāng)大的一個(gè),相信是屬于地位很高的人??催B接....

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Current
Korean history foundation is debating that Beijing might have been old Joseon capital before they were collapsed after series of war between Han and Chaoxian. Beijing was re-captured by Koguryo after war with Sui and Tang but soon lost it again. Look it up man. There''s growing optimism that old Korea might have been inside China and then moved to Korea.

韓國(guó)當(dāng)前的歷史基金會(huì)正在研究北京可能是老朝鮮首都,在韓和朝鮮之間的一系列戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)爆發(fā)之前就已經(jīng)崩潰了。北京在與隋唐戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)后被高句麗重新占領(lǐng),但很快又失去了它。查一下,伙計(jì)。已經(jīng)有越來(lái)越多的人認(rèn)為,舊朝鮮可能在中國(guó)境內(nèi),然后遷往韓國(guó)。

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grr r
@KoreanSentry You literately just sent me a lix full of Korean text, if you think this is convincing then that would be stupid.Plus, a tomb is far from making your statement evidential. Plus we don''t even know if its true, since Korean fabricated many of its and neighbouring countries'' history. Like for example the Chinese medicine was invented by Koreans, Chinese writing and clothing was invented by Koreans, Chinese are descendant of Koreans, Japanese are descendant of Korean, Japanese sword is invented by Korean etc. This makes your Korean website very not believable. the Goguryeo kingdom was founded during the Zhou dynasty, however Beijing was already built before this time period. and was ruled by the Yan kingdom (vassal of Zhou) there is no evidence proving that Gugoryeo invaded and captured Beijing from the Zhou dynasty.
However I think you might be talking about the Qizi Chaoxian(refugees of the shang dynasty who established the Qizi Chaoxian of korea)Shang dynasty did ruled Beijing, and they were Chinese not Koreans. many of their royal families and northern population did fled to Korea.

你剛給我發(fā)了一個(gè)鏈接,里面全是韓文,如果你覺(jué)得這很有說(shuō)服力那就太蠢了。
另外,墳?zāi)惯h(yuǎn)不能證明你的陳述。另外,我們甚至不知道這是不是真的,因?yàn)轫n國(guó)捏造了它和鄰國(guó)的許多歷史。比如中醫(yī)是韓國(guó)人發(fā)明的,漢字和漢服是韓國(guó)人發(fā)明的,中國(guó)人是韓國(guó)人的后代,日本人是韓國(guó)人的后代,日本劍是韓國(guó)人發(fā)明的等等,你的韓國(guó)網(wǎng)站很不可信。
高句麗王國(guó)是在周朝建立的,但是北京早在這個(gè)時(shí)期之前就已經(jīng)建立了。并被燕國(guó)(周諸侯國(guó))統(tǒng)治,沒(méi)有證據(jù)證明古高麗在周朝入侵并攻占北京。
不過(guò),我想你可能是在說(shuō)箕子朝鮮(建立箕子朝鮮的是商朝難民)統(tǒng)治了北京,他們是中國(guó)人而不是韓國(guó)人。他們的許多皇室成員和北方居民確實(shí)逃到了朝鮮。

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KoreanSentry
@Ji Weida Zhou It wasn''t Goguryeo, it was Old Chaoxian, original Chaoxian pre-dates Shang Jizi, beside we don''t know who was Jizi other than he''s just mentioned from old text. So there''s big gap. Yes, there''s deeper connection between ancient Korean and people in that Liaoxi-Liaodong coz they became Koreans. Mind you name Korea comes from Goguryeo as Goguryeo''s originally was called Kori or Goryo. Chaoxian was old Chinese name for people of Kori as it literally translate into as Kori in native Korean. Hence Koreans are still using their old name for themselves. How about China? It''s comes from Qin Dynasty, so they weren''t directly related to Old Chaoxian. Go & read some old primary texts on old Korean people from your own Chinese texts, Old Korea pre-dates Zhou and Qin as well. Korean scholars now accepts that some ruling clans of Yan, Qi and Shang and even Wu have fled to Korea where they''re at Liaoxi-Liaodong, then when they were again hunted by Qin-Han, they finally fled to where Korea is now. This is why Yan bronze artefacts are found all over Korea, but we know Koreans do not share blood relation with modern Chinese, why? Coz your Chinese people fled to south when Qidan, Xiongnu, Jurchen tribes invaded Northern regions of China and this became the what is known as China today. Chinese from Yellow river got mixed with Yangtze river folks which is why there''s difference. When these Yan, Qi, Wu people came to Korea, Korea was already colonized by Tungus speaking tribes, so they fought another war, this made some of them to move to Japan, so there''s complex connection. It''s not easy to define who was authentic anymore.

不是高句麗,是舊朝鮮,比箕子朝鮮都早,我們也沒(méi)聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)箕子。這些差異很大。在遼西遼東,舊朝鮮和朝鮮人有著很深的聯(lián)系,因?yàn)樗麄兂闪顺r人。請(qǐng)記住,韓國(guó)的名字來(lái)自高句麗,因?yàn)楦呔潲惖脑荎ori或Goryo。朝鮮是朝鮮族古老的漢語(yǔ)名稱,因?yàn)樗陧n語(yǔ)中字面上被寫(xiě)成朝鮮。韓國(guó)人仍在使用他們的舊名字。中國(guó)怎么樣?你們的來(lái)源是秦朝,所以和舊朝鮮沒(méi)有直接關(guān)系...去讀一些關(guān)于朝鮮的古老的原始文本,從你自己的中文文本找,老朝鮮先于周和秦。韓國(guó)學(xué)者現(xiàn)在認(rèn)為,燕、齊、商甚至吳的一些統(tǒng)治宗族逃到了遼西遼東的朝鮮,然后又被秦漢追捕,最后逃到了現(xiàn)在的朝鮮。這就是為什么在韓國(guó)各地都能找到燕青銅器,但我們知道韓國(guó)人和現(xiàn)代中國(guó)人沒(méi)有血緣關(guān)系,為什么?因?yàn)楫?dāng)契丹、匈奴、女真等部落入侵中國(guó)北部地區(qū)時(shí),你們的中國(guó)人逃到了南方,這就是為何今天的中國(guó)。黃河流域的中國(guó)人和長(zhǎng)江流域的人之間會(huì)有區(qū)別。當(dāng)這些燕、齊、吳人來(lái)到朝鮮時(shí),朝鮮已經(jīng)被通古斯族部落殖民,于是他們又打了一場(chǎng)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng),這使得他們中的一些人移居日本,所以有著復(fù)雜的聯(lián)系。很難再定義誰(shuí)是真的。(這么看來(lái)春秋戰(zhàn)國(guó)全是韓國(guó)史了)

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grr r
@KoreanSentry Old choxian? Korean it self is a mixed race, then what are the evidence you have in hand to prove that old choxian people have blood relation with today''s Koreans then? the first ever recognised civilisation of East asia is the Xia dynasty, then the Shang dynasty.
And, both northern and southern Chinese shares the same paternal blood line today, which prove northern and southern Chinese are related. study have proven that Han ethnic is one of the most pure blooded ethnic group in the world.
During the wuhu period, the qidan, xianbei for example only massacred Han chinese in the north, and most northern population fled to the south. while the south''s population are mostly Chu and Yue people who are also the descendant of the Yan-huang tribe that migrated the the south during the Xia, shang and Zhou dynasties. and then during the Han dynasty, ther was again a massive migration of northern population coming to the south.the southern native tribes however was either assimilated or fled away since their population wasn''t able to stay independent and stop the Han Chinese from coming to south.
another thing, during the wuhu period, northern Chinese''s population dropped from 25 million to 4 million, most did fled south, then during the sui dynasty there was the Tuhuling or"eliminating the barbarians" which caused tens of thousands of xianbei people for example to be massacred within China, and southern Jin dynasty''s population was around 5 million. if only you could prove that these 5 million Han chinese are hybrids(which is impossible) then keep your mouth shut.

舊朝鮮?韓國(guó)人本身就是一個(gè)混血兒,那么你手頭有什么證據(jù)可以證明朝鮮老百姓當(dāng)時(shí)和今天的韓國(guó)人有血緣關(guān)系呢?東亞最早被承認(rèn)的文明是夏朝,然后是商朝。而且,今天中國(guó)北方人和南方人有著相同的父系血緣,這證明了中國(guó)北方人和南方人是有血緣關(guān)系的。研究證明,漢族是世界上血統(tǒng)最純正的民族之一。五胡時(shí)期,以契丹、鮮卑為例,北方只屠殺漢族,北方人口大多向南逃竄。而南方人口多為楚、越兩族,也是夏、商、周時(shí)期南遷的炎黃部落后裔。到了漢代,北方人口又一次大規(guī)模南下。然而,南方土著部落要么被同化,要么逃離,因?yàn)樗麄兊娜丝跓o(wú)法保持獨(dú)立,阻止?jié)h族人南下。
另一方面,在五胡時(shí)期,中國(guó)北方的人口從2500萬(wàn)下降到400萬(wàn),大多數(shù)人是向南逃走的,然后在隋朝出現(xiàn)了屠胡令或“剿滅蠻族”,造成了數(shù)以萬(wàn)計(jì)的鮮卑人例如在中國(guó)境內(nèi)被屠殺,東晉的人口約500萬(wàn)。如果你能證明這500萬(wàn)漢族人是混血兒(這是不可能的),那就閉嘴吧。

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Juan Mateo
Jabzy I wish you could be my history teacher:)

視頻主我希望你能成為我的歷史老師:)

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Jabzy
+Juan Mateo Is your history teacher that bad?

你歷史老師不行?

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Juan Mateo
+Jabzy hey jebzy actually my history teacher is very bad she always has to make mistakes and my history test are so easy jebzy you should become a history teacher:)

其實(shí)我的歷史老師很菜,她總會(huì)犯錯(cuò),我的歷史考試很容易,你應(yīng)該成為一名歷史老師:)

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banjiu10
As a Chinese, I like how that drawing of Longwu Emperor is similar to the historical?
portrait.

身為一名中國(guó)人,我很喜歡你視頻的封面畫(huà)隆武,他和歷史畫(huà)里的好像

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Jabzy
+banjiu10 Ha, I always like getting a little praise for these crappy drawings.

哈,我的拙作總會(huì)受到贊揚(yáng)

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Shadow L
"A barbarian slave of an empire general returned to the land of his tribe after he was free, and finally he become a king of a powerful barbarian country which destroyed the empire."?
All these is just like a western fantasy literature story...

一個(gè)帝國(guó)將軍的蠻族奴隸在他獲得自由后回到了他部族的土地上,最后他成了一個(gè)強(qiáng)大的蠻族國(guó)王,這個(gè)國(guó)家摧毀了帝國(guó)
這一切就像一個(gè)西方幻想文學(xué)故事。。。

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Chairman Meow
Koxinga is a Dutch translation of his Chinese title Guo Xing Ye "Lord of the Imperial Surname". That''s not his real name. His given name at birth is Zheng Sen. And once he joined the Ming loyalist military, the Longwu emperor renamed him Chenggong "success", so his name known in both mainland China and Taiwan, and referred to by his contemporaries was Zheng Chenggong.

國(guó)姓爺是他的中文名的荷蘭語(yǔ)翻譯。那不是他的真名。他出生時(shí)的名字叫鄭森,當(dāng)他加入明朝軍隊(duì)后,
隆武皇帝將他改名為“成功”,所以他的名字在中國(guó)大陸和臺(tái)灣都很有名,他的同時(shí)代人都稱他為鄭成
功。

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Jabzy
+Chairman Meow I really bloody struggle trying to keep up with historical Chinese names.

為了對(duì)上這些中國(guó)人名我真是吐血了

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Chairman Meow
@Jabzy It''s actually quite a common mistake that many non-Chinese writers and historians have made in the past. I just hope people can stop making that mistake in the future, especially critically acclaimed academics in the west.

事實(shí)上,這是很多外國(guó)作家和歷史學(xué)家過(guò)去犯的一個(gè)相當(dāng)普遍的錯(cuò)誤。我只希望人們今后能停止犯這個(gè)
錯(cuò)誤,尤其是那些西方廣受好評(píng)的學(xué)者。

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Jabzy
But is it not like any British Lord in the that case? I mean just using a title rather than their name, i.e. Liverpool instead of Robert Jenkinson or Wellington over Arthur Wellesley.?

這情況,它不像那些英國(guó)君主嗎?用一個(gè)頭銜而不是他們的名字,比如利物浦而不是羅伯
特·詹金森或者用惠靈頓而不是亞瑟·韋爾斯利。

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Chairman Meow
@Jabzy And that is an awful habit people have adopted, it''s very confusing since there are many dukes of Wellington, Liverpool, etc. etc. In the same sense there are multiple nobles in Chinese history who have been granted ''the Imperial Surname''.

這是人們的一個(gè)很糟糕的習(xí)慣,,這非常混亂,因?yàn)橛性S多威靈頓,利物浦等公爵。同樣的,有許多貴
族在中國(guó)歷史上被授予''皇室姓氏''。

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ValianTiger
He is also famous in Japan,cuz he is half-Japanese.

他在日本也有名,他是半個(gè)日本人(鄭成功媽媽是日本人)

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BlessAll2015KC
Right you are! "Guo Xing Ye" is his commonly known nickname. Zheng was the family name conferred to him by the Ming Emperor as part of the rewards for his loyal defence of the Ming Empire. "Zheng" was one of the 7 original Kingdoms during the Warring States era ( 771 BCE to 221 BCE ). But the family name already existed as a feudal lord''s name during the previous Zhou Dynasty. "Zheng" continued to be one of the 5 elite family names that lasted into the mid Tang Dynasty, & commoners were not allowed to marry into these families. These elite members only marry among themselves.

說(shuō)得對(duì)!“國(guó)姓爺”是他的俗稱。鄭是明朝皇帝賜給他的姓氏,作為他忠誠(chéng)保衛(wèi)明朝的獎(jiǎng)賞之一。
“鄭”是戰(zhàn)國(guó)時(shí)期(公元前771年至公元前221年)的7個(gè)原始王國(guó)之一。但是在前一個(gè)周代,姓氏已經(jīng)作為封
建王爺?shù)拿执嬖诹?。“鄭”是一直延續(xù)至中唐的五大名門(mén)之一,平民是不允許嫁入的。這些精英成員
只在他們之間通婚。

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W Chi
Manchurian to China were like what Norman/Anglo were to England.

滿洲人對(duì)中國(guó)就像諾曼人/盎格魯人對(duì)英國(guó)一樣。

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kakashi101able
This long war was deadlier than WW1, around 25 million died.

這場(chǎng)曠日持久的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)比第一次世界大戰(zhàn)死人更多,大約2500萬(wàn)人喪生

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Saguntum-Iberian-Greek Konstantinopoli
I didn''t know the queue hair style was of manchu invader culture.

我不知道這個(gè)發(fā)型是滿族文化的。

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Gabe02
It''s crazy how during the fall of empires, more infighting occurs within the empire. You''d expect the Ming to unify and put aside their differences to stop the Qing.

帝國(guó)垮臺(tái)期間,內(nèi)部發(fā)生更多的內(nèi)訌,真是瘋狂。你會(huì)期望明朝統(tǒng)一起來(lái),拋開(kāi)他們的分歧來(lái)對(duì)抗清朝

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Malik Rahman
when the country is at its weakest its the best time to start a revolt...and its more likely the seed of rebellion has been planted and nurtured by the incompetence of Ming dynasty itself.

當(dāng)這個(gè)國(guó)家處于最弱的時(shí)候,是發(fā)動(dòng)叛亂的最佳時(shí)機(jī)……而且叛亂的種子更有可能是因?yàn)槊鞒陨淼臒o(wú)能
所產(chǎn)生的。

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Yutaka Go
Ming dynasty collapse due to endless internal rebellion cause by bad policy.

明王朝的垮臺(tái)是因?yàn)閻赫l(fā)的內(nèi)亂。


【龍騰網(wǎng)】明末清初的歷史的評(píng)論 (共 條)

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