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fgm13
I really like this language, I really trusted those people on YouTube saying is not that hard. However, after reading through all the posts in this subreddit and trying to watch a Chinese series, I am starting to lose motivation.
Any advice? Learning Chinese is a project I really want to carry out, but it feels so overwhelmed.

【樓主】我真的很喜歡這種語(yǔ)言，我真的相信油管上的那些人說(shuō)這語(yǔ)言并不難。然而，在瀏覽了這個(gè)網(wǎng)站的所有帖子和試著觀看一部中文電視劇后，我開始失去動(dòng)力了。
大家有什么建議嗎？學(xué)習(xí)中文真的是一個(gè)我很想做的計(jì)劃，但是它讓我感到受挫。

Comp_xe
I’d say don’t get discouraged! This is a pretty big and complex language, it’s not something that’s gonna happen overnight. I’ve been learning it for three years and it often feels like I’ve just scratched the surface.

我想說(shuō)的是，不要泄氣！這是一門非常龐大而復(fù)雜的語(yǔ)言，不可能一蹴而就的。我已經(jīng)學(xué)了三年了，經(jīng)常感覺自己只是觸及了皮毛。
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BookyMonstaw
You should give it time because it takes years to learn Chinese, you have only been studying for one week.

你應(yīng)該慢慢來(lái)，因?yàn)閷W(xué)中文需要幾年的時(shí)間，而你才學(xué)了一個(gè)星期而已。

jxwatrdt
decades, to be more precise...

準(zhǔn)確地說(shuō)，是幾十年...
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Savaaage
I've accepted that I will take 10 years to learn.

我已經(jīng)接受了我要花十年去學(xué)習(xí)的事實(shí)。
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Yolandayangne
We never can completely get a new language. But there is definitely one day that we can get enough to make this new language work. From my experience, hsk5 is enough to cover all the aspects of the life and can really express and communicate in deep way.

我們永遠(yuǎn)不可能完全掌握一門新語(yǔ)言。但是總有一天，我們會(huì)積累足夠的詞匯來(lái)讓這種新的語(yǔ)言發(fā)揮作用。根據(jù)我的經(jīng)驗(yàn)，漢語(yǔ)等級(jí)考試5級(jí)就足以涵蓋生活的方方面面，能夠真正深入地表達(dá)和交流。

Columba_Rupestris
Really? I always see the HSK6 guys complaining that they cannot even read the daily newspaper.

真的嗎？我經(jīng)?？吹?級(jí)的人抱怨他們甚至連日?qǐng)?bào)都讀不懂。

97Jo
1 week is nowhere near enough you probably couldn't even write and recognize 50-100 words in 1 week let alone multiple thousands. just keep in mind that learning languages are hard and no matter what anybody says, no language is easy. Chinese is an especially hard language for english speakers most likely mainly because of the vocab. there's not gonna be any miracle shortcut for any language that will shorten the amount of time studying by years. the grammar in Chinese is fairly easy and i'd probably suggest reading sentences and what your already doing which is watching youtube videos for what i'm assuming is at least some grammar videos.

一周遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)不夠，你可能甚至不能在一周內(nèi)寫出并記得50到100個(gè)單詞，更不用說(shuō)幾千個(gè)單詞了。記住，學(xué)習(xí)語(yǔ)言很難，不管別人怎么說(shuō)，沒有一門語(yǔ)言是容易學(xué)的。對(duì)于說(shuō)英語(yǔ)的人來(lái)說(shuō)，漢語(yǔ)是一種特別難學(xué)的語(yǔ)言，這主要是因?yàn)樗膯卧~。所有語(yǔ)言都不可能有任何奇跡般的捷徑，來(lái)縮短學(xué)習(xí)時(shí)間。中文的語(yǔ)法是相當(dāng)容易的，我可能會(huì)建議閱讀句子和你已經(jīng)在做的事情，看看油管視頻，我想至少看一些語(yǔ)法視頻。

fgm13
Yeah, now I understand that it won't be easy.
Will definitely try to apply your advice, thanks a lot.

【樓主】是的，現(xiàn)在我明白了，這并不容易。
我一定會(huì)盡力采納你的建議，非常感謝。
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OctopusPoo
I might get downvoted for this, but i will speak my mind.
Get the idea that learning language is "Fun" out of your head, it should be a grind, you need discipline to do it everyday even when you don't want to. When you have gone over the same words over and over and over... You will be able to reap the fruits of your labours and THEN the fun starts, being able to communicate and enjoy the experience.
But you have to put in the hours of study, and study to the point where you don't just know it but know it by heart, like it comes instinctively. And that is not fun

我可能會(huì)因此被點(diǎn)踩，但我會(huì)說(shuō)出我的想法。
把學(xué)習(xí)語(yǔ)言是“有趣的”這種想法從你的腦海中抹去吧，它應(yīng)該是一件苦差事，即使在你不想學(xué)的時(shí)候，你也需要每天堅(jiān)持學(xué)習(xí)。當(dāng)你一遍又一遍地重復(fù)同個(gè)單詞時(shí)... 你將能夠收獲你勞動(dòng)的果實(shí)，然后樂(lè)趣就開始了，你就能夠交流和享受體驗(yàn)。
但是你必須投入大量的時(shí)間去學(xué)習(xí)，學(xué)到你不僅僅懂它，而且熟記于心，就像它是本能反應(yīng)一樣。這可一點(diǎn)都不有趣。

fgm13
It was just some assholes in a Ted Talk, and some Chinese learning channels.
I'm not a native English speaker, but I assume it is also one of the hardest languages to learn for a native Spanish speaker.
And I'm just trying to learn Chinese just for the sake of learning the language itself. As a future translator I want to learn as much languages as possible, and I chose Chinese to be the first one I tried learning on my own.
Thanks for the advice!

【樓主】只是一些Ted演講里的混蛋，還有一些中文學(xué)習(xí)的渠道。
我不是一個(gè)以英語(yǔ)為母語(yǔ)的人，但我認(rèn)為對(duì)于一個(gè)以西班牙語(yǔ)為母語(yǔ)的人來(lái)說(shuō)，中文也是最難學(xué)的語(yǔ)言之一。
我只是為了學(xué)習(xí)語(yǔ)言本身而努力學(xué)習(xí)中文。作為一名未來(lái)的翻譯，我希望盡可能多地學(xué)習(xí)語(yǔ)言，我選擇了中文作為我第一個(gè)嘗試自學(xué)的語(yǔ)言。
謝謝你的建議！

Resquid
You won't wake up one day and say "I've done it. I've learned Chinese. I'm finished."
Define what you actually want out of this. And then identify some milestones you can achieve towards that goal. Then work towards those milestones.

你不會(huì)有一天醒來(lái)說(shuō)：“我做到了，我學(xué)會(huì)了中文，我實(shí)現(xiàn)了。”
明確你想從中得到什么。然后確定一些你可以達(dá)到目標(biāo)的里程碑。然后朝著這些里程碑努力。

noxpallida
When you're about to climb a mountain, don't look at the peak. Always keep your eyes a few steps ahead of you

當(dāng)你準(zhǔn)備攀登一座山峰的時(shí)候，不要去看那座山峰。時(shí)刻保持把你的眼睛放在你前面幾步。

WoBuZhidaoDude
Yes! That's the attitude that got me out of drug addiction, and it's the same attitude I bring to Chinese.

是的！正是這種態(tài)度讓我擺脫了毒癮，也正是這種態(tài)度讓我走進(jìn)了中文的世界。

fgm13
You are right! Thanks!

【樓主】你說(shuō)得對(duì)！謝謝！

Jayfrin
So in Linguistics and Psychology it's pretty well-agree that to some degree language use determines cognition. It's referred to as the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. What this means is two people who grow up with different languages can (and do) legitimately think differently.

For example, Chinese structures time so that the future is downward, like a calendar (e.g., 下個(gè)星期) whereas English and other languages do not, they tend to think of the future as forwards, and so this can affect the way people think of time passing.

In general, it's also important to remember logic as a concept is rooted in both western thinking and Socratic academic traditions. Eastern countries often favour dialectic or holistic thinking. Logic demands negation, things like "if X not Y then Y not X," seems obvious when one applies Socratic logic, but just because it's logical doesn't mean it's factual. Sometimes X is not Y but Y is X. This also leads to interesting differences, and this is compounded by the fact that the way people understand the world is different.
Also it's been found these differences in thinking emerge in bilingual people, when bilingual/bicultural people think and solve problems differently when the problems are presented in different languages. Learning different languages can be incredibly helpful to address issues in a new/different way. Sorry turned into a big post just wanted to add a bit of the psychology of it.

所以，在語(yǔ)言學(xué)和心理學(xué)中，在某種程度上，語(yǔ)言的使用決定了認(rèn)知，這一點(diǎn)是相當(dāng)一致的。它被稱為沃爾夫假說(shuō)。這意味著兩個(gè)在不同語(yǔ)言環(huán)境中成長(zhǎng)的人可以（也確實(shí)）以不同的方式思考。
例如，中文的時(shí)間結(jié)構(gòu)是未來(lái)向下的，就像日歷（例如，“下個(gè)星期”），而英語(yǔ)和其他語(yǔ)言則不是這樣，他們傾向于認(rèn)為未來(lái)是向前的，因此這會(huì)影響人們對(duì)時(shí)間流逝的看法。
一般來(lái)說(shuō)，記住邏輯也很重要，因?yàn)檫壿嬜鳛橐粋€(gè)概念，植根于西方思想和蘇格拉底學(xué)術(shù)傳統(tǒng)。東方國(guó)家往往偏向辯證法或整體思維。邏輯要求否定，比如“如果X不是Y，那么Y不是X”，當(dāng)一個(gè)人應(yīng)用蘇格拉底的邏輯時(shí)，似乎這是顯而易見的，但僅僅因?yàn)樗线壿?，并不意味著它是事?shí)。有時(shí)X不是Y，但Y是X。這也導(dǎo)致了有趣的差異，這是由于人們理解世界的方式是不同的。
研究還發(fā)現(xiàn)，當(dāng)問(wèn)題以不同的語(yǔ)言呈現(xiàn)時(shí)，雙語(yǔ)/雙文化人的思維和解決問(wèn)題的方式不同，這些思維差異就會(huì)出現(xiàn)在雙語(yǔ)人群中。學(xué)習(xí)不同的語(yǔ)言對(duì)于以新的/不同的方式解決問(wèn)題是非常有幫助的。不好意思，變成了一篇長(zhǎng)帖，只是想添加一點(diǎn)心理學(xué)的東西。

Caladens
this is super interesting! your big post is definitely appreciated

這真是太有意思了! 我很感激你的長(zhǎng)帖。

WoBuZhidaoDude
his/her overall point is correct: the concepts of time and negation are different in Chinese and English.

總體來(lái)說(shuō)，他/她的觀點(diǎn)是正確的：中文和英語(yǔ)對(duì)時(shí)間和否定的概念是不同的。